Big Brother 17: Finale Results: Final HoH & Winner Revealed

September 23, 2015 Matt Big Brother, Big Brother 17 1,851

Tonight on the Big Brother 17 season finale the last Head of Household competition wraps up and one more eviction vote is cast ahead of the Jury’s decision revealing this year’s Big Brother winner.

Julie Chen hosts Big Brother 17 finale
Julie Chen hosts Big Brother 17 finale – Source: CBS

Liz, Steve, and Vanessa faced off in a mix of two of the three rounds of the final BB17 HoH competitions over the past few days. Now those first parts will play out as tonight’s show kicks off before leading us to the third and final comp along with the Jury round table hosted by Dr. Will.

Joining the Big Brother Jury on stage, as they await their last member, will be the first five evicted Houseguests as we anxiously await what looks to be a do-or-die round three competition following the endurance competition and physical/mental comp. Now on to the show.

Big Brother 17 Final HoH – Round 1:
Liz, Steve, and Vanessa are about to be dipped in goo and then slammed against the wall until they can’t take it anymore. Yes, it’s time for the endurance competition and this was a doozy as the Houseguests held on for the longest time since BB11!

Steve was the first to fall after nearly four hours. They had shifted down to the lower level and sitting on the ball instead of the disc.

Vanessa says she needs to turn up the mindgames on Liz because she doesn’t have much time left to hang on. This is just minutes after Steve has fallen. Liz rolls over and plays dead for Vanessa after begging for Vanessa to take her to the F3. Instead of making her own fate she relies on Vanessa. Liz takes the fall for Vanessa.

Big Brother 17 Final HoH – Round 2:
Now the winner from round one will sit out this part of the competition. Houseguests will face the biggest crossword they’ve ever seen in their lives and it’s about to be another very close competition.

Steve beats Liz in a very close comp. Steve’s time was 28:27 versus Liz’s 31:11.

Big Brother 17 Jury Round Table:
John arrives to much surprise and disappointed. Austin is shocked to hear Liz is trusting Vanessa again. He’s loudmouthing it and Dr. Will calls him out that it’s hypocritical. Everyone raises their hand when Will asks if Vanessa had a hand in their eviction.

Meg calls out Vanessa that no one was fooled by her, but she kept winning when she needed to do it. John calls out Steve as a rat. Julia says she won’t vote for Steve because he wouldn’t own his game.

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      • Yes, Stevie deserved to win because JohnnyMac talked about it, but failed to get the job done!

        I’m actually going to watch the entire episode again just to see Vanessa’s face. She didn’t hug Liz on the way outta the house, didn’t she?

      • I don’t agree with you on BB, Vanessa lost a guessing game to Steve, that shouldn’t be the deciding factor in the game of BB.

        Vytas however was suuuuper creepy and I’m glad Abi will be staying to let her crazy brazilian ass out on the show

      • That’s always been the final part of the game. That’s the only part of BB that you can predict. Its BB tradition. If you don’t like it don’t watch.

  2. Just read the interview with Allison Grodner and Rich Meehan about this season. They were talking about the possible winner and jury and they were talking about Vanessa as if she was certain to be answering juror questions at the end and making a speech about her game play. They did not mention Steve or Liz doing the same.

    Here is a quote. ” We have no idea how she’s going to answer questions and deal with that jury, but the one thing we find interesting is she played a really amazing game” . There was no “if she makes it to final 2 preceding that statement.

    Maybe it was unintentional but it sounds like they already know she is in the F2. Other statements they made are attempts to redeem Vanessa’s reputation. They claim she is a good person who is conflicted about doing what she did in the house. You mean like making Meg and James have nots when she put them on the block? You mean like bullying Steve? Those are part of her master plan? Perhaps they don;t want someone like Andy winning again?

    I do not believe that BB is fixed. But some people do and the producers of the show should be careful not to make statements like these that give the impression that they know who is going to be there at the end.

      • But you all still watch lol

        PS: Vanessa deserved to win way more than Steve did. John threw an HOH to Steve and he shat himself during the double eviction before randomly getting out Jackie (who Vanessa told him to target lol)

      • Steve’s double eviction noms took place immediately following the HOH comp that he won. Vanessa didn’t have a chance to influence his nominations. Give credit where credit is due…he used Vanessa to get further in the game, just as she used him and everyone else she could…but in the end he knew that she was a totally untrustworthy partner and drop-kicked her out of the house, just as she had planned to do to him.
        I guess Steve got the last laugh……and it was SO satisfying to see.

    • If you don’t believe it’s rigged why would you add fuel to the conspiracy fire?

      The quote you mention is by Meehan but you left out mentioning the following sentence by Grodner a bit later in the interview:

      Grodner: “It’ll be interesting how she ultimately decides to play that, if she makes it to the final two.”

    • Now they need to admit they jumped the gun a bit and say that no one is ever guaranteed the winner in this game until the fat lady sings!!! :-)

    • Wow some of you people are just clearly mental midgets….Way to claim there is some conspiracy when Vanessa and Frankie didn’t even make it to the final 2 of their seasons….

      And LMAO about the Meg and James being have-nots, PROTOP towards the end have-nots were NOT picked, nominees were automatically made have-nots and what do ya know it was when there were both evicted….People need to grow up and either stop watching or stop with this retarded errrmaghad its fixxxxxxd, its fixxxxed herp derp…It was supposedly fixed for Amanda she lost, was supposedly fixed for Frankie he lost, was supposedly fixed for Vanessa she lost….Dumbest conspiracy theories ever….

  3. This show is so overrated and highly and totally dispicable. These final three idiots don’t deserve a single penny. I’m glad that it will be over tonight. Zing that Julie Chen, Zingbot and Production. All of you need to find something else to do. Filthy animals. Worst season I have ever seen.

  4. I made this comment before but the comp is because their feet touched the ground when they were dipped in the pool. That gave the a chance to relax and rest even it it was only for a few seconds.

    • I saw that too. Does anyone else think that Steve came off on his own & didn’t really ‘FALL’ off?? If you’ve PVR’d it go back & look at the way he ‘slipped off.’
      Just my opinion from my observation. Please do not attack me or call me an idiot!!
      Thanks!!
      Tinkz

    • Cyril, I think you stopped commenting by the time I made it here…just want to thank you for another year of laughs! You’re so much fun and I appreciate it immensely. I will always be your Sharona!

      • I agree! I’ve really enjoyed being able to discuss & comment on the show!!
        My husband can’t stand reality shows & I tend to like them cuz it’s fluff TV.
        Thanks for listening to me & that’s for all the discussions & banter!!
        Now, where did I put that glass of wine I poured?? And that chocolate bar???
        Yum yum!!
        Ttyl
        Tinkz

      • Thank you, Tink! I’ll take that chocolate, please! I haven’t seen you much this season..maybe we’re on different time schedules. I hope I’ll see you next year, so we can chat. Have a great year! Hmmm, actually, I think I’ll take a glass of that wine too. :)

  21. so I’ve already heard the happenings but I’m still shocked they give in to her and never say shut up

    • I don’t get it…. “SHUT THE HECK UP ALREADY!!!!!! I am here to win also. I don’t want your gift, I want to win!!!”

  25. Steve looks really sad. Did they already play for the HOH, because if they did he seemed to have lost. Liz looks very happy and Vanessa is not crying.

  31. think Austin is going to be a little peeved at Liz because she seemed to have a pretty good time the last few days. He probably expected her to stay in bed and sleep the whole time until finale

  36. Unless Van gets evicted tonight, I think she got the Jury votes..What do you guys think, based on what you saw from the Jury house?

    • He told Julie twice went he was evicted that he really thought he was going to win. Being kicked out ruined any chances he might have had (in his mind only) of becoming famous. No one cares about someone who only made it to F5. That’s why he’s so furious. He truly thought he had it made – that he and Liz would make public appearances and that they’d be sought after for all kinds of things. He saw his delusional dreams going up in smoke and he won’t forgive Vanessa for doing that.

  82. I WAS RIGHT!!!!!! PEOPLE SAID THIS SHOW WAS RIGGED BUT IF IT WAS RIGGED STEVE WOULD NOT BE THE HOH. HA HA HA TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SAID IT WAS RIGGED

    • It was rigged to get Vanessa onto the finale. They helped her countless times along the way in the DR to make sure she made final 3, giving her suggestions of what to do, allowing her to attempt to bribe fellow contestants, etc. It doesn’t matter if she was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, they were just going after maximum publicity. If she ends up with that TV series on one of CBS’s networks (TNT, TBS, etc.) then the theory will be proven 100% correct.

  83. Vanessa is about to whoop Steve in the bathroom, then cry, talk about her integrity, kiss her ring, yell at him some more, promise him a good Christmas present, yell at him into taking her….

  93. It’d be disappointing but understandable if Steve gets rid of Vanessa. But she really does deserve the game.

    • Dan the Fan, I am kind of thrilled that Steve evicted her just because it was a great moment, but I am with you that Vanessa really deserved to win the game. She is by far the superior player.

  98. Steve’s decision just made me change my mind about this season. The last minute shocker just redeemed the season for me.

  114. thank god steve won! im soooo glad steve and liz found out what production has been doing and their little plan to fix it for vanessa has failed! he definitely deserves the money! (:

  119. I hope med staff is on stand by for Steve. I hope Liz feels like a total bitch right now. Didn’t even campaign to the dude.

    • Guess what, dummy? BB assisted Vanessa in getting her to the finale for maximum exposure . They didn’t care whether she won or lost, but she was aided along the way. And when she shows up with a new poker show on a CBS network (such as TBS, TNT, TruTV) then the theory will be proven.

  125. Ding Dong…………….”the Wicked 8!TC# is DEAD!” Nobody 4 EVER!!!
    PS – Damn if it didn’t take long enough…………….98 days, seriously!

    • CBS assisted Vanessa in getting her to the final 3…there is no doubt about that. Their goal was to get her onto the series finale for maximum exposure…mission accomplished. When Vanessa appears on a CBS network near you with a poker show (TBS, TNT, TruTV, e,g,) then you will know the truth.

  131. Liz has three votes in the jury house so far… dang Steve, I hope you win and have a killer speech.

  133. I wanted Steve to win, but feel bad about either losing in that comp. Everything down to one comp, and decided by one question.

  134. I think it sounded like her voice cracked a little at the end. thinking she’s got another cry in her

  137. Vanessa is lying. She seems to be in shock right now, that is why her tears are not flowing. She didn’t even say hi to her girlfriend. That’s how shocked she is.

    • I don’t think so, as good of a player as Vanessa is. She has to at least considered it a remote possibility

      • Its not about what kind of player she is its about her ego. I think she was certain she was going to win the HOH and it is a shock that she lost to Steve, her pet dog, in the final comp.

  139. Now that Vanessa came in 3rd, she’s definitely getting that Poker show on CBS Sports, just so she doesn’t hunt down Les and Julie and go postal on them! ;)

  142. Woohoo snake is gone. I think production got so many negative feeds that they had to change course. Did anyone notice Vanessa always gave her answer after Steve did – like production was feeding her the answer to pick in an earpiece under that stupid hat? Mommy will be proud. Little Stevie finally grew a pair.

  145. Wonder how she’ll be received by the jury? I think they’ll be decent to her but not sure about Austin. I hope Austin gets/keeps his head in the game and behaves.

  146. Go Steve go Steve!!!!! Bye Vanessa and hope I never see you on TV again. What a joke Steve betrayed is this witch serious right now. She must be crazy to not remember everything she has done. Thank god she is gone.

    • Yes, it would!! A terrible injustice. Liz winning would be a win for Austin, unless she’s smart enough to dump his ugly butt and use the money solely for her and Julia.

  150. Vanessa played an AMAZING game. In the end, it came down to that final HOH. She didn’t pull through. Sucks. But she was still the BEST player this season! Never fret, Vanessa will be back! VANESSA!

    • Yeah, never really a Vanessa fan, but u have to admit u do feel bad for her that her luck ran out the only time she needed it the most

    • Funny, I thought the game was fixed!! Lol… No more talk about this BS! Good job Steve, you made the right choice!

      • Hi Tinalee, how are you?

        Hope you’re well. It has been fabulous making your acquaintance this summer. Sorry we were on opposite sides of the track, literally.

        Peace to you and all the best completing your literary works.

        Toot-a-loo

        Cindy, oops now you know my name!

      • Hey Cindy,
        thank you so much! I have enjoyed our conversations as well and I look forward to next season! I hope next season I am on everyone’s good side lol… And thank you for sending this message, a lot of people have been messaging me and laughing at me because Vanessa lost however they are failing to forget that I have said since the beginning I did not want Vanessa to win because I always want someone who really needs the money to win. I am not at all upset that she did not win! She deserves it in my opinion but, she has enough money already! And the funny thing is, everyone says it’s fixed and has been saying that forever, they have been saying it’s fixed for Vanessa to win and Vanessa is going to win well, she didn’t win! she lost at the final comp & Steve made an extremely smart choice voting out Vanessa! If he did not, she would have won! Hands down! I was disappointed with tonight’s episode but I am always disappointed with BB finale because it’s always so short, not much conversation goes on when the winner is crowned or even before! Kind of like Survivor as well! I wish they had reunion shows like other shows have, I want to hear what people have to say lol
        and, it’s over! Finally lol and hopefully this might silence some of the haters saying the game is fixed! Again, I do believe certain situations are manipulated and it’s very clear that there was some cheating hence Liz and Steve’s conversation (& some other conversation!) so that super annoying and sad but, reality TV is just not what it used to be.
        I look forward to seeing you and talking/debating next season :-) maybe you will be around in the winter for BB Canada “4? !
        You can find me on Facebook if you would like. My name is Christina de Sa and it should say Vancouver BC or maybe chilliwack BC. no pressure though!
        again, thank you for your nice message :-) XO

      • Vanessa will be the first one voted out in any all star season. No all star would put up with that wining and crying crap. Unanimously voted out first vote

      • Yeah right. I bet Derrick will go out first. Vanessa will probably have a completely different strategy and go far again.

      • Derrick is a schmoozer.that will buy him a couple of weeks. Vanessa is sneaky and manipulative by nature. That won’t fly with all stars.they will compare notes catch her in lie and can her just to be done with it

  154. She was a good player yet a terrible bully. She was hurtful and mean- you can be sneaky and dramatic and play the game without being a bully.
    I wish I was a fly on the wall when she finds out how much we roit’s for bullies to be taken down.

  155. Oh man! It just dawned on me…It’s the high school nerd (I say lovingly and as a nerd) versus the popular cheerleader!

  161. Vanessa definitely ranks in the top women of the game.

    All the best ladies finish in third. Danielle, Janelle…twice, and now Vanessa.

    Well played Van, but I guess it wasnt meant to be

    • She still goes down as one of the best female HGs to play this game, so don’t worry. I may not be a fan of hers, but I know talent when I see it.

      • I think Vanessa is the best the way Amanda was the best. Bullying is a technique but it does not make for the best players. And before anyone says it, I freaking hate evel Dick as well, I do not consider him a good player.

        Janelle or even Danielle go down as the best female players. Though I do love me some Rachel.

    • I can’t wait to see her face – another hour and a half to wait here on the West Coast. All her bullying and mental tricks were for nothing. Hooray! Bad guys don’t always win. Rooting big time for Steve.

      • They were not for nothing. She still made a huge impact on the game. She will be remembered for years to come.

  166. This is the most entertained I’ve been this entire season. You just know Liz is going to sound like a dumb arse right now.

    • Well, you can’t blame her. She just got evicted. This game was hers to lose…she did seal her fate when she lost the final HOH round. She’s probably kicking herself in her head. I sure am kicking her in the head through the TV. lol. Vanessa you just let your game slip through your fingertips. Too bad. But she’ll be alright.

    • She doesn’t have a happy face – she has wrinkle face, beagle face, bulgy-eyed face, fake astonished face, fake trust me face, real mess with me and I’ll make your life miserable face, fake this is for your own good face, rarely a genuine happy face.

    • I can’t stand him either. He thinks he’s all that. Boy is he going to get a slap in the face when he sees how people feel about him.

  191. GOOD for Steve, as much as I like Vanessa it was a smart game move to not take her to the final two! Vanessa played a brilliant game! And I am going to give her credit where credit is due regardless of the rumors, but I’m done with that! However, since the very beginning I have said I did not want her to win because I always like someone who really needs the money to win! Interesting season! It’s been fun :-) thank you all, (well most of you) for being nice to me regardless of being the underdog against most of you who disliked Vanessa! Peace out! ♡♡♡♡♡

    • HI Tinalee thanks for the convos. Hope to see you next year. Definetly going to try to find out how to get BB Canada. It’s good to see people like you who stick to their believes and not be influenced. I still say the wrong person won BB and AFP. And if you ever meet up with Van, tell her she did a fantastic job! Till next year !

      • Hello ♡♡♡
        thank you so much! And right back atcha :-) maybe we will reconnect in the winter with Big Brother Canada 4 (I do believe BBN reports on BB Canada as well!)
        I hope you can find it, BB Canada has been very good.
        Vanessa did do an amazing job this season! And maybe Vanessa not winning will silence some of the haters! But I doubt it lol…..I thought it was fixed for Vanessa to win? Lol strange how that happens hahaha my gas is now the haters are just going to say BB didn’t let Vanessa win because of all the speculation on cheating lol don’t get me wrong, I do think some situations were manipulated by production, I have thought that for many years because unfortunately reality TV is not what it used to be! It is what it is… it does suck that it is not the same game anymore but I’m going to keep watching because it’s just mindless entertainment. I have read some of the feeds as suggested by some people who disagree with me and I have read some obvious cheating like Liz getting answers from production when playing against Steve in the second competition, I read Steve and her talking about it! So that’s definitely not cool but, I still think Vanessa is awesome and I think she did a great job considering what she had to work with lol…
        and so many people have said to me Vanessa is going to be booed when she comes out of the house, I didn’t hear that lol in fact she got a loud applause! anyway blah blah blah it’s over! Maybe next year I will be on the same side as most of you so, people won’t be so mean lol but honestly I could care less what any of these people say. it’s been really fun participating for the first time on here! I will definitely be back :-) you are more than welcome to look me up on Facebook if you like. My name is
        Christina de Sa (yep, it is sprlt like that! Lol) and either look me up living in Chilliwack BC or Vancouver BC. My facebook is pretty open, I really do need to lock it down more. I can’t remember what my profile picture is of though. If you want to add me to Facebook but cannot find me then let me know. But no pressure with adding me to Facebook :-) at all :-) thanks for the fun summer! XO

      • I watched last weeks episode but I have yet to watch today’s. but I will be watching it :-) I watch every year, every season

      • I’m not sure who she is, I believe she is the one with the accent? I forget where she’s from lol… I don’t have much of an opinion on anybody quite yet, and I still haven’t watched yesterday’s episode yet. I am going to try and stay very neutral and out of peoples way on here lol…. When I came on here last night to check your message I had like 10 or something Message that were removed. I don’t know what I did or said wrong but clearly something lol and my comments were all replying back to that same person so obviously she flagged it but I didn’t know there was rules, however, I can’t see any well that I would have broken!? Where are the rules lol

  194. The boy became a man ~ Judas lol I loved his expression when that Electric Mayhem muppet poker playing whore came out with the jury.

  201. The boy? Austin is such a jerk. Steve is more of a man than you are, the boy who threw a tantrum when he was voted out!

    • I felt bad for Liz Steve has had days to practice his speeches. After Steve and Vanessa told her they weren’t taking her, she probably didn’t practice. Maybe that will be a strategist move. I still think the better player didn’t win.

  204. After that, all I can say is Steve has this in the bag. Even Julia and Austin look like they don’t want to vote for Liz anymore.

  207. Steve’s answers were flawless and Liz’s were the worst answers ever given in a final 2 questions segment

  209. Julia looks pissed. lol aww someone jealous? this is awesome! the finale is making up for the predictable season. that’s right, bring it on.

  211. Liz, wanting $ is NOT a reason to win $500G. She strikes me as someone who hasn’t had to struggle very much in life.

    • Vanessa was assisted by BB to get as far in the show as she could to maximize publicity. You can maximize publicity without actually winning….sheesh! Getting her onto the series finale is plenty publicity. It will all be proven right when she ends up on that poker show on a CBS network such as TruTV, CBS Sports, etc.

  217. “I should win because I need the money…I have amazing boobs, i got this natural bounce in my blonde hair, and I’m pretty, I mean, do I need an actual reason to say why I deserve the money?”

    What I thought Liz would have said…close enough I guess.

  219. Glad they made her go first….. Glad she didn’t mention she needed the money, I am sure Steve does also.

  220. Liz may have won 3 HoH comps but when she was HoH she wasn’t making her own moves. She basically let Austin and Vanessa run her HoHs.

  223. Steve just said liz was not in the house for the first few week. WRONG LIZ WAS TWIN IN THE HOUSE NOT JULIA

  224. Big brother sucks and idiots like steve who did absolutely nothing the whole season wins 500,000 proves you can suck and still win big brother and now steve is the worst winner ever that’s a fact jack

    • Unlikable character. He had a very inflated idea of his own popularity – too bad that impression won’t last for long. If we think he’s pissed off at everyone now, just wait a week or two when it sinks in that he wasn’t AFP, and didn’t win a penny, plus no one’s going to be running after him begging him to make speaking appearances.

  242. I have to admit, it’s been a hard day. 12 hrs work day. fighting w construction dude. but survivor started. Vanessa got evicted and I think Steve has the win. good ending to my day

  244. Vanessa voted for Liz because she thinks she was honest and stayed true to her alliance. The opposite of what she did, but in her head thinks the she did the same.

  245. Good poker face Vanessa, because after reading how she has acted at times when playing poker, I bet she is seething inside.

  247. May the best player win, Vanessa losing is equivalent to my favorite player winning. its not even over and I am already in a celebrating mood. this is great, much like this board. love you guys! its been a blast!

    • So, tell us more about all your conspiracy theories about how the game was obviously rigged for Vanessa to win.

      • Ask everyone else that, I wasn’t the only one. Vanessa lost! I don’t even want breakfast with you anymore lol this finale has been quite sweet, loving it TB, love it!

      • Yes, but you were so adamant that the game was fixed and refused to listen to any rational explanations as to why that wasn’t the case. I’d like to get your updated thoughts on the matter now. You have the floor, sir.

      • I wasn’t the only who noticed her bribery, I was simply a live feeder who happened to notice as well. but you like to single me out, awww TB. you played too hard to get. I don’t want breakfast anymore, since its a far too early time to celebrate. which is what I feel like doing now, ok I lied. I have been celebrating, I couldn’t ask for a better outcome, seeing the entitled millionaire get so close to her title, only to watch it slip away? poetry my good man, poetry.

      • I didn’t single you out. I took on all the people making similarly ludicrous claims. You just happened to make them often and state them emphatically.

  249. Although Liz struggled with her answers…look back at season 11 when Jordan won. Comparing Jordan to Liz, Jordan was a weaker player, yet she still won. She didn’t give good answers either to the questions she was asked.

  250. Did Vanessa actually sit up there and tell Julie how Steve had betrayed her on a couple of occasions, or didn’t her delusional behind realize he simply made his own decisions. She tried to keep him on a short leash on him but it didn’t work. She truly looked mad as hell during his speech and you can tell she is upset. But….she admitted she lied to him about F2.

  251. Now that I think about it, all my favorite people from my favorite shows ALWAYS end up coming in 3rd place.
    BB 17 – Vanessa
    American Idol season 10 – Haley Reinhart
    American Idol season 12 – Angie Miller….
    the list goes on…Vanessa…WELCOME.

    • My favorites hardly ever win, only in Dancing with the Stars: Season 19 and Survivor Micronesia :(
      In World’s Apart my favorite was Sierra and she finished in 5th place.
      In this BB Season Becky in 9th and JMac in 4th.
      Survivor Heroes vs. Villains Parvati in 2nd, Candice in 8th, Amanda 9th, J.T. 10th.

  269. Why did Vanessa have to say how much she won to the Jury members lol. Like aha I didn’t need the money anyways…I’m rich.

    • But it’s just like the people in here bringing up Van’s millionaire father. Unnecessary.

      But she probably just wanted to tell them “Haha, I’m not middle class like you people!” Which I mean…we kinda would all do. :)

      • Oh, that was bitter. Anyone who understands the game as well as Vanessa does, knows Steve played more strategically

      • Not that it matters, but I would’ve voted for Liz. I honestly believe she played just as good of a game as Steve did, if not a little more especially considering the risks she had in the game. Neither of them could top Vanessa, though…of course!

      • Ummm… I guess you’re forgetting our first conversation where we were talking about Philly? You (allegedly) went to Temple and I went to Penn? TBR78’s GPA is slightly higher than 2.1.

      • 2.09 is nothing to brag about. I was being nice rounding your academic probation status. You got kicked out of Drexel. I went to the Tuttleman Center on 34th and Spruce and there is no record of you attending or graduating UP. You’re a liar. Buying illegimate degrees doesn’t give you the right to pretend that you’re so intelligent and eloquent. It’s so sad that you are keeping up with my life and not worrying about your pathetic and pointless one.

      • There would be no record of me at the Tuttleman Center considering I never attended any programs there. How would you check the records anyways considering you don’t know my name, degree program, or graduation date?

  295. Did Liz get any female votes besides Vanessa and Julia? Why do girls (women) never have any “love” for other girls (women)? Nobody 4 LESS!!!

  300. What a let down this season. The best players are in jury not in the house. Same with the winner siting in the Jury. ALSO TO THE PLAY SAYING VAN IS BITTER. VAN TOLD LIZ SHE WOULD VOTE FOR HER IN THE JURY VOTED IF SHE GOT EVICTED TONIGHT. SO SHE KEEP HER WORD

  305. Steve won??!!!!!!! Hooooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!! Can’t wait to watch it – wasn’t going to if Vanessa and Liz were F2. This season has ended up wonderfully – the Wicked Witch was kicked out and the quiet nerd showed his balls and his intelligence and pulled off the win. Soooooo happy!!! Thank you all for the updates and helping this season make sense to me. Love you all!

  306. Supported Vanessa most of the game, but I’m disgusted with her vote tonight. Good for Steve winning.

    • No she didn’t. She played one of the best games ever. Give it up. She played well and she lost. It’s over now.

      • How do you explain Gina Marie then? Or Victoria from last year? Making it far does not mean you played well.

      • There are 2 parts to “the game.” Making it to the end, and having people want to vote for you. She was really good at half of it. But, she didn’t even get that quite right. Derrick was a mastermind, and got someone to take him to Final 2. Vanessa couldn’t.

      • That doesn’t change the fact that she is still one of the better people to have played the game. The question wasn’t “who is better, Vanessa or Derrick?” You’re answering a question I never posed.

      • and likewise by bringing up Gina Marie or Victoria. I didn’t say that making it to the end means you had a great game. I’m saying if you don’t make it to the end, you didn’t have a great game.

      • If Part 3 of the HOH wasn’t based completely on chance, maybe she would have been in the final 2

      • You’re the loser…that you can’t just give credit where credit is due is mind boggling. You’re always hiding under the guise of “Oh, Vanessa is a bully.. She used bullying tactics to further herself. I can’t support that.” Bull crap.
        Just give credit where credit is due.

      • Well thank you, Jassy, for all of the credit and attention to my posts. And good luck getting that compensation for all of your support of Vanessa.

      • Like Survivor second chance…there should be a big brother second chance…Vanessa needs to be on it ASAP.

      • She’d have no shot playing this game again. She’d be out immediately. For her own ego, I would strongly suggest to her to never play this game again.

      • Well, perhaps she should go on Survivor…or the Amazing Race with Mel!
        Yeah, I know. You’re right. who am I kidding. Now that everyone knows how Vanessa plays the game…I’d be a fool to believe that she could make it this far again. But that just shows you how incredible and how strong of a player she really is. I’m happy that she made it this far. I’m happy that this season is still her season. I think more people will remember her than Steve.

      • I was just listing reality shows where people get picked off until only one remains. Amazing race holds that same premise…sort of.
        I know they are completely different shows. I just want Vanessa on another reality show.
        These type of reality shows are so pleasurable to watch.

      • Can’t you detour people, therefore making alliances is a minor strategic part of the game? She was able to do well in Endurance comps and a high pressure house so I imagine she’d be at the very least decent in TAR

      • I can agree with that. Just saying her best talent in BB is mostly useless in TAR. Very little interaction between competitors.

    • Yep! She’s treated Steve like crap from the get go…her actions before the vote and her actual vote speaks volumes. She promised Liz a vote because she never wanted to give it to Steve.

    • You’re just a hater. Vanessa had the best game. She may not have won, but there’s no denying that her game was 100x better than Steve or Liz’s games.
      I think she voted for Liz because she was closer to Liz than she was to Steve.

      • Third Place says it all. there’s no argument here….and judging by the reaction the jury members gave her…she wouldn’t have had the votes….

      • Disagree, they voted for who played the best, if Van was against Steve, She would have had Shelli, Jackie,, Becky, Liz and Julia for sure. I think even James and Meg.

      • Shelli Jackie and Becky would have voted for the strongest player.

        I think Liz and Julia just wouldnt vote Steve because the obvious.

      • Becky didnt hold reservations for Van though, she would have voted for the strongest player.

      • Are you my mother? I can use that word as I please. Like I’ve said times before, I don’t see that word the way you do. It obviously holds a lot more negative meaning to you than it does to me.

      • And I’ll keep ignoring you.
        But seriously… all issues aside….I really enjoyed your commentary…even though we disagreed…A LOT.. I look forward to next season…it cannot come fast enough.
        And who knows…maybe you and I might actually like the SAME person/people this time.

      • I just wish you would use “dislike” instead of the “H” word. People on here don’t know these people that well, They only see what was shown. So you either like or dislike a player. Even using “love” would be ridiculous. You can’t love somebody you see on TV. Same thing.

      • Well, if you put it that way, shouldn’t the same thing go for people on here who say Vanessa is a disgusting, evil human being? They don’t know her personally either, but they say she’s disgusting and evil?

  323. He wasn’t an Ian Terry, but he proved to be a Steve Moses. congratulations man, you saved the season from being rigged, congrats for bringing it home for the superfan, now I can watch next year and not be disgusted with this season’s Vanessa pandering, so way to go kind sir. much thanks and its awesome to laugh in the face of the V sheep. ;) and oh yeah, James won AFP!!!!!!!!!!!

      • I am, I find her amazing and so awesome. and just a lovely person, I hope they bring another millionaire into the game next year, hopefully that works out for them. yeah NOT. I’m done with this season, its been an interesting ride, I loved the end result, LOVED it.

      • He was scorned by Vanessa. It’s so clear. Anybody who hates a person as much as Duran hates Vanessa…something must’ve happened in the past…

  329. I;m shocked. I thought John was in first place and James in second. Jason was shocking as well.
    I’m glad James won since he needs the money more and played a better game.

  330. It’s funny, I remember a TON of people saying that Steve wouldn’t win this game. Would you look at that? Just look at it….just look at it…

      • Actually, I never said that at all. I didn’t really know what to think of Steve. I never commented about him. For me, it was all Vanessa..all day…and rightfully so. She controlled this game until that last HOH moment where she couldn’t pull through.

      • Trust me, if Vanessa would’ve just won that final HOH, she would’ve won.
        I’m not ashamed to say that I had my eye on her from the beginning. I knew she was one to watch and I wasn’t wrong seeing as the game was in her ball court since her first HOH win. I did think she was going to win. Truly did. But in the end, she couldn’t pull through for herself and, unfortunately, her fate was left in Steve’s hands.
        But having tons of people thinking Vanessa was the winner is not off base at all. Just LOOK at what she’s done in this game.

    • But why then the speech about voting for the best representative of the season. That is much more Steve, a superfan, than Liz. If she wanted to vote for her alliance member, just say that.

      • She said she wanted a female to win this season. I don’t know what she meant by best representative maybe she was reaching to REASONS to justify a Liz vote.

    • She made a lot of promises to a lot of people. She was not only bitter but very tacky. I knew she didn’t have it in her to vote properly but I thought after Liz’s disasterous answers and speech she might have shown some class.

      • Well, it’s hard to deliver when you promise everyone the world and you have only one world to give. Big mouth … sore loser.

      • She told Liz on multiple occasions that she wanted a female to win this season. That is why her vote went to Liz. Also Liz was her friend. Voting for your friend doesn’t make you a bitter juror.

  337. I said it earlier … too early … and didn’t expect to be here during the actual show … so here goes again.

    Thanks everyone for a great season of chatting up this game.

  340. I don’t believe Steve voted Vanessa off!!!

    That alone should make him the winner! Liz gets 50 thousand for undercover work, LoL!!

  341. I look at the popularity vote every week and Johnny mac was at 40% every week james was at 28% the voting was fixed since James won

  342. Finale is always boring. and hour and a half show and no clips.
    Love Survivor and The Amazing Race. BB will never be as good as those shows with all of the falseness.
    Until next summer.

  345. Steve was my pick from early on, as was Derrick last season. So that’s 2 years in a row that I picked out the winner, lol. Guarantee that’ll never happen again.

      • She didn’t like how unpredictable Steve was! And Liz lied through her teeth on some of the questions posed! LOLOL

    • Agree. It comes off as bitter since the little speech/reason seemed to point to steve, like Jackie’s did.

    • I mentioned it. In Vanessa’s delusional head she thinks she played and honest game with integrity and believes Liz would have kept her word as she has done.

      • She wants Liz to worship her and I always thought that Vanessa had a girl crush on liz. She may think that she can convert her in the event Mel leaves.

    • I know that bothered me so much. Bitter. Just showed as I said before she played the Vanessa game

    • I defended her so many times here. I’m kind of bummed about that now. (I’m on BBT so I haven’t seen it yet.) I’ve always hoped that inside she was a player that respected the game. I hoped she’d take off the hat, grin and say: “and the student then became…the Master.” But based on what I’ve read here, I gave her way too much credit. Wow. (Hopefully I forgive her before her new show Poker Face starts though!)

    • For the first time in the game she didn’t need a “reason” or have time to come up with one. She probably voted for Liz out of spite that Steve evicted her.

      • That’s all I could think of..I hope she has other legitimate reason. Jeff should ask her that in the backyard interview.

    • What did she do when she put James and Meg on the block and James won veto? She went to her HoH room and cried. What did she do when she put Steve and JMac on the block and JMac won veto? She went up to her HoH room and cried. What did she do when Becky put her on the block as a replacement nom? She went to the comic room, got under the covers and cried and sulked for an entire day.

      Vanessa is a sore loser and even though she controlled herself during the TV show tonight you can tell she was very bitter. You cannot understand her vote because it was emotional not rational.

  348. OK this was my first BB finale, and I think it was terrible and cringeworthy (Liz’s answers, audio lag). Doesn’t even compare to Survivor.

  349. Vanessa voted for Liz because? She was taking Liz to F2 instead of Steve if she had won that last comp because…Liz was better at BB? Right. Or maybe it was because of Liz’s awesome answers and final speech. Right.

    Disappointed about JMac not winning AFP but he won a lot of hearts of the viewers.

  350. I am happy Steve won. I would have preferred JMac but he just did not do enough to get to the final 2. I am now looking forward to BB 18 and hopefully there will be more than 2 people playing the game.

    • JMac was 1 comp away from being F3, had Steve or JMac won that PoV that Vanessa won that would have been Van out the door instead of JMac.

  352. The only way I will ever watch big brother again is if they have a all star season if it’s a new cast won’t ever watch again

  353. I guess the fabulous Christmas presents are out of the bargain now.

    See you next summer! It’s been a blast!

  354. Derrick: “I’m an undercover cop” GASP
    Vanessa: “I’m a professional poker player” WHATEVER

    • The difference might have been where they were sitting. Derrick was in the F2 chair – and most of them had just voted for him to win. Vanessa was with the jury, and therefore not eligible. But, yeah, not that big a secret. It was more an advertisement for Poker Face than anything else.

    • ha ha yeah that was great. Vanessa was a petty sore loser till the end. Even had to give Liz her vote knowing Steve was the better player. Ah that was nice watching her leave in 3rd. She was mortified walking out to the jury.

      • I was seething when she was talking about her money. So tacky and de clase, as my grandmother used to say. So uncouth.

      • Well Vanessa didn’t bring it up…Julie did.
        Why wouldn’t she talk about her professional poker player past? I don’t think it was wrong of her to finally reveal that she has had some ‘success’ in life.

      • Julie Chen kept saying that Vanessa has not played up to her potential! Girlfriend just got played by the player. Call him a little boy again, I dare you.

  355. Congratulations Steve! So happy he won and not Vanessa! Loved what jasen said about her game play. She did not own it!

      • Yes. Someone who doesn’t own their actions is fake. She believes her lies and that makes her terrible to watch

      • I think that the crying is partially contrived and meant to build sympathy and deflect criticism. Ultimately it did not work!

      • I loathed the way Van played the game. I realize that lying, manipulation and backstabbing are all BB acceptable playing methods, but the fact that she acted as though she was the victim when she did her DR speeches is the thing that made me disrespect her game play. It would have been entirely acceptable If she had said exactly what Jason said about wanting to “bathe in their blood” when she was supposed to be telling us, the viewers, her real plans. Instead, she seemed to want us to believe that she was a “good person” being wronged by the other HGs. And if she really believes that, she’s delusional, or worse, evil.

    • True. She spent all season trying not to get blood on her hands. Glad Jason brought it up. Vanessa the hypocrite was a nasty petty person. Glad Steve won and she went out in shame.

  356. This season finished fantastically. That nasty pathetic Vanessa got booted out in 3rd, leaving empty handed. What a fitting end. Loved it. She was so pathetic and petty. The boy she bullied all season kicked her out the door.

  358. I’ll say it again, Van, despite not winning, is one of the greatest female players of the game.

    I am putting her up there with Danielle and Janelle, though they were much more likable than her, they all played the game differently but amazingly and that cements them in BB History.

    Hate the player but don’t hate the game.

    • She would have ranked up there with the best period but she could not close out. Maybe her chances would have been better in an F3 with Austin and Liz.

    • If Vanessa was in a house that was more competitive she would have been gone before jury. The fact that her alliance won every HoH but two after week 1 is why Vanessa, Austin, Liz, Julia and Steve all made it as far as they did.

      The other side of the house was just weak. Perhaps Becky would have been better but Meg and James torpedoed her game. Idiots.

      Vanessa’s game was overplayed and at times ridiculous. Yes, she controlled a few weak minded people like Liz and Julia but she was played too. Remember Austin staging that nonsense with Jeff so Vanessa would get him out of the house because Jeff was hitting on Liz? Vanessa was bragging about how she played that but it was Austin that played her. JMac played her too when she evicted Austin. JMac used reverse, reverse reverse reverse psychology but what he did was convince Vanessa he and Steve were not as close as they were. JMac saved Steve that week and Steve wound up winning!

      Vanessa played the best game this year but it was a very flawed game

    • I agree! Vanessa FTW! Yes, I know who won! But I can’t stop! Vanessa’s a beast! She’ll be alright after this.

  360. Julia and Austin could barely contain their disappointment when Liz was talking. They probably hated that they had to vote for her…but Vanessa…pure spite.

  361. Well that was fun, and with that said peeps. maybe see you next year, take care and be good. I’m out with a bang, like why not. I’ll have some fun tonight. so Congrats Steve, Congrats James, see you all. its been really cool.

  362. Breaking News!!!! CBS just stopped production on Poker Face. Shelving it in favour of a new show called Nerd Face.

  363. Vanessa and the Nolan sisters were positively gross this season. Everyone else was “normal” :)

  364. Van out 3rd, James wins AFP and Austwuss face when he heard the top 3 were JMac, James and Jason–all in all a good night

    • You said it. It could have ended very badly with Vanessa going top 2, but having her stay in the game only to leave 3rd just wrapped up a great season. Her and her supposed millions, yet she still has to be a petty nasty person. Loved the look on her face having to walk to jury seat.

    • Oh, I didn’t see his face. I will have to re-watch. I bet he and the Twins will be shockedthat America didn’t love them.

      • Wait until Liz Ho reads and sees all the screen shots of her giving Austwuss BJ…well I guess she “earned” her $50K

  365. The only thing I’m disappointed in for this finale episode is how scripted the jurors seemed to be. Everything just seemed so contrived. Even the first evicted house-guests, they were supposed to be telling the jurors all the ACTUAL goings-on in the Big Brother house, seeing as they were the only ones who watched this season’s episodes.
    Instead, we got Audrey talking about how she is an inspiration for the transgender community…I’m not knocking that. She is amazing…but I wanted to hear about her game-play and the manipulative character she ended up being on the show. I wish it was 2 hours so we could’ve delved into the top moments of the season a little more.

    • I simply said here that Audrey looks like Shelli now (talking about her hair colour) and my comment was deleted I believe.

      Well it said it was being moderated.

      This season of Big Brother was too distracted with other stuff besides the game itself.

    • Im gonna start a drinking game next year for every time someone says “Rigged” or “Fixed” in here.

      Heck! let’s start it now!

    • How so? If you are going by who won the poll on here, you have to realize people can only vote once. When you vote for favorite player you can vote multiple times.

      • back on the feeds….when james went to the diary room, they forgot to turn his mic of. production said congrats on winning americas vote….we didnt vote at that point.

      • I don’t recall that. I remember hims saying something about America’s player but not the vote. Why would CBS care who wins America’s Favorite player? I mean if America really liked JMac more than why wouldn’t CBS give let him win and give America what it wants? It makes no sense to fix AFP. If they wanted to give James money they could give him some appearances he gets paid for.

      • yeah, i thought it was americas player. but with no player, everything I’ve read and when i listened to it i swear it was americas vote. don’t know why theyd wanna fix that but…

  367. the funniest part of the show was that BB, after having removed Jace’s picture from the memory wall, invited him back for the finale and then didn’t let him say anything! 2nd place goes to Da’Vonne calling out Austin/Judas.

  369. I think if you were to rewatch this season (lol) and focus on Steve, people would appreciate his gameplay more.

    • Agree 100 pct. He won all the comps that he needed to. Don’t forget that first veto in Week 1, where he’s likely gone if he loses. Plus he wins 3 of the last 4 HOH’s–and all the ones he’s eligible to compete in from F6 on. Most impressive

  370. Loved that Davonne outed Austin about Judas not really taking over. Bb should have gave him another clown nose. Noticed he trimmed the beard but left the ponytail. Gag!!!

  371. Well, this was an… interesting season. Not the worst, but… interesting. All things considered though, I’m satisfied with how it ended. Vanessa, while playing a strong game, refused to own it (as Jason brilliantly pointed out) and got by on the fact that people were too scared or too stupid to do something about a known mastermind. And she’s already a millionaire, so I did not want to see her win.

    As for Steve and Liz, I honestly would have been fine with either winning. I obviously like Steve more and I’m glad he was the winner, but you also can’t deny that Liz played a strong game. She was a great competitor and had a double dose of huge targets on her back: a sister AND a showmance. The fact that she made it to the end at all is a miracle.

    As for AFP… won’t lie, I was rooting for JMac. He didn’t have what it takes to win, but something about him was just lovable, he seemed like the most real out of all the houseguests. But if anyone else could take it, I’m glad it was James, he was a very close 2nd for me.

  373. JMac showed class by voting for Steve after all the negative things he said about him tonight. I think he would have chosen V over Steve (fair enough) but unless you’re related to or sleeping with Liz there are no other reasons to vote for her…oops, then there’s spite and pettiness. You don’t choose the booby prize when you’ve got the real thing.

    • I’ll admit, that was a great move. This is coming from a HUGE VANESSA FAN! Steve made the best decision for his game.
      He wouldn’t have beaten Vanessa.

  377. So, Vanessa turns out to be the “bitter juror” on top of being the self-righteous idiot (“I cant believe you lied to me!” wah “I can’t believe Becky was so mean to me!” wah …this, moments after Vanessa lied
    to someone herself). She knows Steve took her out, and did much more than Austin’s armpiece, Liz. But she won’t vote for him. She also shows her TRUE colors by telling everyone EXACTLY how much money she has won (4.5 million….surprised she didn’t tell them about her Lamborghini, too). Who does that? Does Tiger Woods tell you HOW MUCH money he’s won as a professional golfer, or Tom Brady as a professional football player, when they are interviewed?! She deserves to lose.

    • The jurors body language showed them to be completely underwhelmed by her big reveal, they probably thought she was lying again.

      • I’ve said this before, I don’t think it was about the money for Vanessa. I really think she just only wanted to ‘win’ the game. To be called the winner of Big Brother. She wanted to be the last one standing. That concept is fascinating to me…One by one, they all go down, until one remains. Vanessa, put up a good fight. Steve was right when he said she was one of the strongest players ever. KUDOS TO VANESSA!

      • “female players!” LOLOL That doesn’t say a whole lot. But he meant it in a “good” way than ever bad! :-)

      • I actually thought her social game was ok if you are playing to get to the end. Not a good game for a win though.

      • Vanessa did control the House, least nominated i could go on …how does that happen? Was Vanessa a powerful Oz? If she worked Hgs over wit her tactics -good game. Everything She did has been done on seasons of BB

      • Some of them wouldn’t even look at her.
        By her glum face all during the jury Q&A you could tell she was lost in her own self absorbed world.

      • You should also watch the interview session afterwards where she was practically begging Austin not to hate her and telling him why she evicted him, keeping Jeff waiting in the wings. It was sad, but Jeff was loving the convo between those two! :-)

    • Yeah Vanessa was pretty sad and pathetic. “I didn’t win but I made 4.5 million over the past… bla bla shut up and go home 3rd place. I Agree with Bubba Jones, she is a disgusting human being.

      • There are a lot of people who agree with you. $4.5 million can buy a lot of things but not a good personality, integrity, decency or humility.

      • She had an amazing personality. It was just overshadowed by her game-playing.
        She is a very decent person. And Julie was the one to bring that fact up….Vanessa was just responding to it.

      • Yeah, amazing… James: “Vanessa, you’re playing the game too hard”. Van: “Are you kidding me, you would insult me like that?”. James, now speechless and the look on his face was like “I’m giving you some advice, slack off before you hurt yourself or someone else”. Her personality is LIKE MAGNETIC. LOL.

      • A buddy is a pro poker player like her, knows her well. She’s a B. lol Also when these people say they made 4.5 mil, it’s not all profit. They have lost about 3/4 of it in poker, cuts, entry fees, taxes, you name it. The real number for her is about 600-900K in actual earnings.

    • They were going to find out about Vanessa anyway, so I don’t see why she wouldn’t tell them.
      I don’t think she was a bitter juror, sorry.
      Why lie about how much she’s won. She’s only telling the truth. If she was really bragging, she would’ve revealed that sooner rather than later.
      Vanessa is an amazing person and an amazing game player.
      I just don’t see what these haters see.
      Vanessa, you’re still the winner in my eyes. We all know who the ‘true’ winner of this season is, whether we want to admit it or not.
      Go, Vanessa! Keep on rocking’!

      • So, should we expect Tom Brady, Tiger Woods, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Adrian Peterson, Venus Williams, John Elway, AND A LIST OF A MILLION WINNERS MORE to tell us their amount won in interviews from now on. Because, like you said, “everyone will find out anyhow?” Funny, but I cant recall anyone EVER doing that?! silliness

    • I have said all along that despite her style of play, I thought she deserved to win …. until that moment, and when she cast the bitter vote. Then I was out.

      • Should I tell Ann Marie, “I told you so?” Or no? Nahhhh…I’m gonna be the better person and forget it. Would hurt her to know I’m a lawyer too!

      • Why wouldn’t Vanessa vote for Liz? Her alliance, her F2 over Steve who ended her game. And Van should reward Steve for sending her out, over Liz who stayed loyal to a bond they had. Bitter nah no and far from a ‘bleeding heart. Steve would’ve had to win w/o my vote too. Shelli & Jackie votes for Steve (evicted by Steve) or just against Liz (making it and they didn’t) Could be some sour grapes there too js. I cared less between those F2. Gm

      • Sophie, I hope you get this message…I want to thank you for coming to my defense when our PhD friend was attacking me. That meant so much to me. Early in the season, I made a comment to you about ‘… people have bad days and she has a right to her opinion…’—and not having read the entire thread very well, I, inadvertently, encouraged an actual attack on YOU. I think I apologized, but in case I didn’t, I’m very sorry. You were awfully gracious to me and you have no idea what that meant to me. I hope to see you next year. Thank you again.
        Sharona

      • Hey Sharona, You are so sweet. No need to thank me at all. That guy was a jerk! I was more than happy to come to your defense. And yes, I totally understand that you didn’t have the full picture in that other unfortunate incident. You will most definitely see me next season …. probably sooner, for BB Canada, if you watch that one. Have a great break from this nuttyness! See you next time.

      • Thank you! My digestive system will be much less irritable not that I don’t have a constant irritant stuck in my craw. :) Captain is going to clue me in on how to get BB Canada.

    • Becky calling out vanessa for swearing on everyone she knows ,Jason calling her out and even Julie taking a jab calling out her bitter jury vote.rubbing the poker winnings in everyone’s face,i didn’t see how CBS can give her a show after that showing of her true colors

    • Then Van turns around and tells Julie she would have ousted Steve, turn around is not fair play for her, karma’s a biatch!!!

  380. Vanessa if you’re reading this: you’re a trifling and disgusting person inside and out. Follow the steps of Kurt Cobain and the world would be a better place and no one would miss you at all. Austin and Audrey and those twins can do the same thing.

      • Only in the spirit of when it was said…he was totally frustrated at the time! Paranoia had set in big time. I don’t take it in any way as insulting until you take it out of the context in which and when it was said!

      • It was left 30 minutes after the show was over. What context exactly should: Vanessa if you’re reading this: you’re a trifling and disgusting person inside and out. Follow the steps of Kurt Cobain and the world would be a better place and no one would miss you at all. Austin and Audrey and those twins can do the same thing. be taken in?

      • Really? Encouraging someone to put a shotgun to their head and pull the trigger because no one would miss them goes either way? – I’m surprised by that.

      • Disagree with the statement, but based on its timing it could be from pure emotion. Saying it tomorrow, way out of line, right after finale, I will give it a pass. It was the first comment on here that has made me feel uncomfortable though.

      • 1. The comment was left 30 minutes after the show ended. Not at the moment she said anything she said. 2. The man called for someone to hurt themselves in a grisly manner. (That’s EVER acceptable?) 3. It appears the site mod deleted the comment and at least one beneath it that showed support for it. Encouraging self-hurt is never acceptable. When it’s a joke, that’s obvious. That posting was in no way humorous.

      • Clearly not a joke. After reading your points and thinking about it 30 mins is too long. 15 is probably the limit.

      • Bill, if you had read his comments throughout the entire season, he said many foul things. Especially about women. I was called the ‘t’ word and the ‘c’ word. He also told me ‘…to watch out because now I have a target on my back.’ He deserves no pass. But, since you haven’t seen ALL of the things he wrote, you had no idea of the filth he spewed. Very kind of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, though.

      • I didn’t recognize him, maybe he was on different times than me. So, I may have never seen anything he wrote. Because of that I was guessing it was just emotion.

      • I wasn’t commenting to that post, but to “I hate everyone, only I hate you less!” Sorry, should have pointed that out!

      • Me, too and yes, even James as well! I’m a big prankster in my household and I applaud his maneuvers when it would otherwise be that much more stressful in the BB house with who he was dealing with! :-)

      • I’m going to try to see every episode, but it gets busy in my household during the fall and winter more than the spring/summer. Too many freakin birthdays I tell ya! :-)

      • It worked, didn’t it!!! Ha, Ha… that JMac’s a smart guy… had him or Steve won that PoV that Van won, he’d have been in the F3.

    • C’mon, Isaiah! You’re not fooling anyone! I bet if I hugged you a big rainbow would shoot out of your butt!

      • OH NO! I missed the PhD’s comments! Was wondering what kind of filth he would be spewing this evening. Shoot.

      • It was so ghastly it was deleted (I assume) by the site moderator. (Follow the thread down and you’ll see where I ask someone who liked it why that was acceptable with the posting copied.)

      • Not sure if you are talking about me, but I was the first to disagree with it. Ghnocci was the one to like it.

      • Yes, she did. And she left a comment laughing with it. Her comment was one of the ones deleted. My comment asking her why she supported it was also deleted because I used the word “su*cide” I suspect.

      • I don’t refresh my page only the comments so it is not deleted on mine. He comment was in response to mine saying it was a little overboard. Her thinking was similar to mine that it was an emotion thing until you argued it well. Gnocchi8 is the only like it got.

      • I saw no comment from you in the thread. But her “like” was there when I checked. It doesn’t matter. The comment’s been deleted. Let’s forget about it.

  381. Good does win over eee-vil! Steve, great job, my nerdy, and very loving– Cornell man! Thanks everyone for playing along and putting up with my (occasionally snide—but always well meaning) comments. It kind of feels like the end of an insane summer camp—doesn’t it? I raise my glass to the head counselor (soul-crushing, self-esteem devouring, minion of Satan), Vanessa: Nice try, bully. May Karma bring to you what you deserve. To the rest of the campers (jury only):
    Meg: You’re adorable inside and out Love you! Your mother will be proud of your behavior on the show…I just want to put you in my pocket! :)
    James: Your pranks may not have been the funniest, but you and your cat hat made me love you!
    Shelli: You’re very pretty. The End.
    Becky, Darlin’, I’d love to have seen you more.
    Jackie: You’re gorgeous and talented—best wishes!
    JMac: For many weeks I was certain you were a marionette, voiced by Seth MacFarlane, and ya kind of creeped me out, but in the end, you won my heart.!
    Austin, Julia and Liz: Um…got nothing for you-uuhhh.
    Congrats again, my dear, sweet, Steve!
    And, again to Vanessa: Suck it, sistah!!!
    To all of my wonderful, funny and encouraging friends—I’ll miss you and see you next year! Love to you all!
    Namaste,
    Sharona

      • Jasmine, it is with extreme pleasure to say ‘good-bye’ to you and your youthful immaturity. I’ve said over and over that I have admired your passion concerning Vanessa. It was a lie. Goodbye…now run along and be a good girl. Buh-bye!

      • You just got me in trouble. Lights out and hubby trying to sleep in our bed for the first time since his surgery. I was trying to be really quite. Then I read your post, I laughed out loud and scared my hubby.

      • Thank you, K! You’ve made me laugh so much…you’ll never know how much that’s meant to me. I think I’ll miss you most, Scarecrow!

      • No, I actually had an injection last Thurs in the sacral joint but all it did was give me a false sense of well.

        A new problem is a brewing in that I developed an abdominal hernia from the move. I’ll be talking to a surgeon soon. It does hurt to laugh from all sides. I am aging and it has not been fun.

      • Oh, NO! So, so sorry! Aw, jeez. You take care. So sorry…well, at least you won’t have the irritants, pests and trolls or Vanessa-the eeevil one to deal with any longer. B, take CARE, OK? :)

      • So you lied to me? I’m bawling my eyes out. Boo hoo!
        I couldn’t care less whether you lied or not.
        I will still support Vanessa! Sorry not sorry.
        I will see you when BB 18 comes strollin’ along.

      • Hi Foxfire! Yeah, it IS. If I’d said, “Now go away before someone drops a house on you”, I don’t think they’d have gotten that. Not sure they got the gnat line either. Or the gum line. Or the Go Away line. Hope to see you next year, my friend!

      • I’m sorry I didn’t get a chance to talk to you more this season Sharona, we seemed to be on different time clocks but I’m looking forward to talking more to you next season. Thanks for all the laughs.:D

      • How is it immature for her liking Vanessa. If anything it’s immature of you to call someone immature for liking someone you hate. Pot meets kettle.

      • Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha

        BIG BELLY LAUGH. €:^¥)

      • I have never ONCE said I hate Vanessa. Not once. I don’t hate, Joey-N. You haven’t followed Jasmine’s and my comments…also you haven’t followed Jasmine’s comments either, otherwise you would have understood that Jasmine called herself ‘immature’ because she is young. To reiterate, I have never once said that I hate that woman.

    • Meg could not win a comp but she had a great laugh and she was fun to watch with James. I liked shelly they did not even make clay speak .

    • Much Luv ti you and we’ll stated for us all. You go girl!

      God bless you.

      Thanks again all for keeping me company as I moved to a new town. You made my sleepless nights bearable.

      Peace to all the rest of the year.

      And happy new year!

    • Andy was rooting for Steve to win it all just to spit it in Van’s face! So no, not the worst winner….that would have gone to Van if she’d won! :-)

      • Did it hurt? Guess you guys missed what Jason said about Vanessa b/c he hit it on the head, you guys just hit your heads. Back to my question… did it hurt?

      • What are you talking about? Had Vanessa won she would have been the best female winner and a top 3 winner in my opinion. Maybe Vanessa would have been your least favorite winner but in terms of gameplay she would have been an amazing winner. I am sad that she didn’t win.

      • How didn’t she take losing well at all?
        Of course, you’re going to be upset when you get evicted. Everybody was upset. Why is it okay for others to be upset and not Vanessa?
        And just weeks ago, you guys were all harping on Austin for showing how upset he was. Vanessa didn’t even show how upset she was, yet people still find something to say about the way she acted when she was evicted?!

      • I wish she owned her game but I think that if she did she would be viewed as a B. I thought she took losing well. She didn’t cry or spazz out.

      • I’m very upset that Vanessa lost, but I still think this was a GREAT season. I was hooked from the beginning until the end. I will MISS seeing these people on my tv and computer screens.
        But all good things must come to an end…I just cant wait for season 18!

    • Steve isn’t the worst winner but I wouldn’t put him in my Top 10 either. Steve is probably ranked 12 or 13 in terms of winners.

      • Andy is a decent winner, he is a better winner than Steve. I would have Steve above Lisa, Adam, and Jordan. But Drew is an underrated winner. Drew played a great social game. Everyone trusted him and because of that he was never nominated until final 5. Also he was not a target at all. Nobody targeted him because they liked and trusted him. Drew is a top 5 winner in my opinion and is extremely underrated. You should rewatch Season 5 to get my point.

  383. All in all I thought it was an entertaining season.

    Congrats to Steve. This is life changing money for him. To get out of school debt free and probably able to pay for any grad school he may/will do. I am happy for him. You can’t fake the reaction he gave. You can tell just how much this means to him.

    • I totally agree. Great for Steve. Thanks to all who have watched the feeds and kept me up to date. And all of your comments have been fun to read. Can’t wait for BB 18.

    • Well, Liz said she needed the money too… my guess she’s materialistic plus maybe her & sis would like some new bOObies.

      Btw, I thought Liz looked very pretty for the finale and I think Julia is the better looking one but not by much.

      Why did Van color her hair/roots if she was going to wear the goofy stocking caps the whole time?

  384. I love how at the very beginning of the game, people were threatened by Steve because Ian won BB and then Steve ends up winning!

  387. At least the Karma gods were watching after all… Vanevil LOST!!! That was all that mattered to me!!!
    Oh and James winning AFP!!!!
    So I will tune in for BB18 next year!!!!!!
    See ya!!!!!

    • I think you’re in the majority Jenni. Lot of people don’t care for Vanessa. It was nice to see the good person win for a change. Vanessa is petty till the end. Her finishing 3rd made this a great season.

      • 3rd place is not bad at all. Like I said before, she still made it to the end.
        I really enjoyed watching Vanessa this season. Even though it didn’t pan out the way I wanted it to or the way she wanted it to, there’s no denying that she MADE this season! Vanessa! Whoo whoo! Keep on truckin’!

  388. I may have been the only person out here that disliked Jason, but I was so glad he told Van what we have all been saying…that she never owned her game. I could have had an entirely different opinion of her if she had been saying that she knew how manipulating she was in her DR sessions.

  390. So happy vanessa the total POS didn’t even make final two. She is a terrible person. She’s a sociopath, a machiavellian, and a complete hypocrite. She lied, whined, cried, finger pointed, manipulated, backstabbed, and crazied her way through the game and got what she deserved in the end. She couldn’t even admit to her actions after all was said and done, and had the audacity to continue criticizing others for things she had done repeatedly. She even voted for Liz at the end, because she’s a bitter, hypocritical sack of human excrement. She’s so insane she literally didn’t comprehend the negative way she acted throughout the game. Hysterical.

    Boohoo! Have fun crying hysterically with your girlfriend like the crazy sociopath you are. Goodbye. And to all who supported vanessa, you guys are idiots. LOL!

    • Pretty strongly worded, but I agree with your sentiment. Couldn’t stand her either and can’t wait to see West Coast finale so I can watch her face when she realizes all her evil scheming came to nothing.

      • Vanessa was a bully. She was a petty sore loser. It was wonderful to see her leave at #3. She was mortified walking back to her jury seat and catching some flack. I was glad to see the bullied kid get the last laugh.

      • Vanessa was not a bully. Just because she voted for Liz doesn’t mean she was a sore loser. You forget how all of you were harping on Austin for being so upset. Vanessa didn’t show that at all.
        Steve was never bullied by Vanessa, I don’t know where you people are getting this bullying thing from. She was aggressive for sure. But aggression is not bullying. Evel Dick was a bully.
        Vanessa isn’t.

  394. First time commenting but as a huge BB fan since the very first season, I loved this season. Vanessa was one of the best players of all time hands down. Steve’s eviction speech for her was short and sweet. He was very strong and well-prepared for his final speech and answered all his 3 questions very well. Liz’s answers were weak and she repeated herself in all of her answers. I also would have rather seen two other jurors besides Julia and Austion ask her two questions. I felt like those questions were in her advantage since I was 100% certain they would vote for her. I also was positive Vanessa would vote for Liz. I didn’t see it much as bitterness on Vanessa’s part. I saw it more as her trying to tell Liz that she had her back and she did after all stay true to at least one person in her entire game. Let’s not forget at different points on her game, Vanessa promised final 2 to 7 people: Shelli, Audrey, Austin, Julia, Steve, JMac and Steve. I did not agree with some of her game-play this year and some of her moves were questionable, but since week two when Davonne got voted out, Vanessa directly or indirectly had something to do with every person’s eviction. She was a great strategizer, a good enough liar but a petty crier. And she was a competition beast. So I have to give her credit for it all. Had she been against Liz she would have won 7 to 2. And very well deserved too.

    With all that said I would love to see Shelli, JMac, Becky, Vanessa and James altogether again in an all-stars season against 13 other players. I would love to see Nicole, Zack and Caleb there also from last year. What do you all think?

    • Jackie too ! Not Vanessa ! Vanessa was actually cruel to people. No character or class. She ruined the game for me because she was evil. It was hard to watch her bully people.

      • She wasn’t a bully. She was an aggressive player. But to call her a bully…that’s too far. She’s still one of the best players ever!

  395. Did you see the look on liz when she was chosen, priceless, and the look when steve was giving the eviction speech to V , it was like this can not be happening,

    Congrats steve for pulling one over on mommy dearest, Vs vote was not a surprise at all she is bias and wanted a woman to win, She proved she is bitter, and austin voted the way he did because if not. his weenie would be without a hopeful bun, Liz voted the way most would vote if they had a brother or sister in final two. No problem there, family is important, At least no 500grand split 4 ways, ANd no xmas gifts

    It was interesting that she pulled Vs key first, I think she wanted to see if V was about game or bitter, All votes were about game except for three,
    I too was hoping Jmac would be AFP but congrats to james
    I think all of them were so happy to see V out of the game,

    Interesting season, the one true player got played at the last moment, and she was so proud to say she would have voted steve out no problem, no regret, heartless, And yet turn around and be bitter and angry when it happened to her, so typical.

    This turned out to be a good season,no matter who won, some great moves, And some of the dumbest moves ever, And some mistakes made year after year

    • Vanessa announced who she was voting for. Julie knew. I think she pulled keys backwards because Steve would have won too quickly in the other direction. No suspense. Television.

  396. I think the reason JMac didn’t get AFP is because people assume he already has plenty of money – what he probably really has is tons of student loan debt. Still, James was a character, even though I fluctuated between being really upset with him and loving him, and I know he’ll make good use of the money. Happy for him.

    • The season turned out well overall. The evil witch got evicted #3, the bullied kid rose to the top. Ok with Liz winning 2. James seemed like a non-threatenting nice guy, so good for him. And you’re right, JMac probably has a lot of debt :)

    • I would hope that people’s votes were based on the house guests’ personality etc. and not how much money each person has.

  398. Not a fan of Vanessa for most of the summer… but WHY do we assume she was bitter? As all of us have analyzed in a Steve vs Liz scenario, there are ways to look at it and argue that Liz played a better game!

      • Just sayin’. Yes, as fans we all know Steve played a better game, but Vanessa was sequestered for 98 days and didn’t get to see everything we saw. You can’t blame her if she does not share our perspective of things

      • So other than Liz’ boyfriend and sister being her only other votes, how do you account for all other votes going with Steve. Plus Vanessa knew she was out-played by Steve, the only one that could get her out.

    • Well for one, she had to say nanny nanny boo boo, I lost but I made x number of dollars being a poker player. That’s pretty bitter. Vanessa wasn’t an idiot (a sociopath maybe), so for her to vote for Liz, that’s bitter. Steve bested her in the finals, and for her to not give her vote to him, is bitter.

    • Liz did not play a better game. She was not playing like Steve and Van. she was laying down with Austin. She hardly talked game unless she had to.She won comps yes but Steve won more and he was playing the game the whole time.

      • I have repeatedly said so, most fans would agree Steve was more deserving. But Vanessa did not see things from the fans’ perspective. And in the Steve vs Liz scenario, many fans have even argued how Liz could potentially win against Steve if the jurors see things a certain way. So maybe Vanessa saw it THAT certain way

  400. So, what’s the consensus? Was Steve acting dumb the first 60% of this season, and just laying low waiting for the right moment to show he had what it took? I’m beyond thrilled that he sent Vanessa home – she’s probably still in shock that she didn’t win, I know Austin can’t believe he wasn’t standing up there as winner.

  401. As much as I was not a fan of Liz, when Steve didn’t cut her I think she was genuinely surprised and happy. I was glad for her. For a second, I thought she was going to win, and the entire season would have been a startling metaphor for how things go in life (dumb luck gets you far). I still would have loved to see Vanessa win it all and JMac get America’s favorite. Buuuut… couldn’t blame Steve for cutting her when he did. My guess is Vanessa’s back as a houseguest next season, even if it’s not a total “all stars” season…

    • Vanessa may have to be like Dan was in his second season to be able to go far. She’s a very good player, but would be tested to the point it may be too much to overcome.

      • Yeah. I was thinking about that in the past few weeks… how she would come back and play again given how exposed her playing style is. But (for me, at least, as a Vanessa fan), it would be an interesting watch.

    • I don’t think she’ll come back if it’s not an all star season unless it’s similar to that coaching thing in S14. Even then, who would want to be coached by her? :l Rather have Derrick or Danielle, tbh.

      • Ofcourse Danielle R.! I honestly couldn’t stand Danielle Murpheree. She was honestly irrelevant to me.

      • I would love to see Danielle again I was disappointed by her in season 7. Will just totally outplayed her, but he does that to everyone. Would be interesting after another decade to she how she does.

    • No. America hated Vanessa. They won’t have her back as a houseguest. Maybe she will come back for a luxury comp at the very most.

      • I think “villains” are exactly who’d they want back. And Vanessa does have some fans! Like me. Lol!

      • Vanessa isnt a villian. She was playing a role. She is just a despicable human being, who was very bitter at the end, and she has been vomitrocious the entire season. James was trying to tell her that she was playing the game too hard, and instead of taking the constructive criticism, she took as a personal insult, when in the end, James was right. And it was her playing the game too hard is why she lost.

      • For every person who’s a fan of Vanessa’s, there are probably 8 or 9 people who despise her. I wouldn’t watch another season in which Vanessa was a player.

      • I would, but that’s just because she’d be up against better players who wouldn’t tolerate her antics. She’s a known quantity now, so her tricks would be well-documented for anyone who played against her. She’d flop like a fish out of water.

  402. Congrats to Steve! Although, I’m a little disappointed with his win. As much as I don’t care for Vanessa’s personality, I honestly wanted her to win at the end. I mean, I would have LOVED to see her get cut at final four or final five, etc, but by the time the final three came around, she honestly deserved it at this point, but things change. I’m super proud of Steve regardless! He managed to cut Vanessa, and get what was his. Also, I’m happy he at least won against that vile Liz because I wouldn’t been able to deal with her winning regardless. Also ‘YASSSSS’ to James winning AFP! I was preparing myself to hear Johnny Mac and then that happened. Anyway, it’s been fun! If I come around next year, hope to see some of you!

    • Actually I had a hunch when she won f4 veto that she’s gonna be cut at f3. Every single person since James who won the veto was evicted at the next eviction…

    • I was so happy when Vanessa was evicted. It really redeemed my faith. But the move was done way too late to save this horrible season. They should’ve gotten out Vanessa pre-jury.

  403. Thank you, Matthew Bower for sharing Big Brother 17 with us! There were fewer players this summer who I enjoyed, unlike previous seasons where many if not all of the house guests gave me joy. Congratulations to Steve Moses for his game play and the win. He went all the way to the end in a unique way. He knows the game as a Super Fan and his passion was fun to witness. Congratulations to Liz Nolan. You showed great happiness when you were chosen F2. Vanessa never stopped playing the game. I think it would have been 100% more enjoyable to watch if her skills were used with some fun. Rounding up potential votes is fun when multiple people have some say in what will be happen the night of the vote. Having one person drive the conversation is boring. Another season of Big Brother ends and I can’t wait until next summer! Just a suggestion to the producers…..The competitions are really entertaining. I would like more time spent on the comps and less time with silly footage. Some games never get old. I would like to see ALL the players remain with the show in a different cottage right there on the set. New alliances could form and shake up the house.

    • Liz doesn’t deserve any congrats. She is a nasty person for what she said to Jason in her goodbye message.

    • Very nice comment, Tom! Much as I get annoyed by some of the HG’s game play, once the season ends, I feel a huge void! Can’t wait for BB18.

  404. I am so happy Steve won because he deserved it more than Liz. Vanessa voted for Liz because Steve voted her out. Lol, of course, whats new there with this emotional player.

  405. WOW~ Julie didn’t follow the script by choosing to read Vanessa’s vote 1st. She sounded like a real person~~~ good for you Julie, do that more often.

    • I honestly got a laugh from that. She’s usually so robotic, and stoic, so it was good seeing something besides that from her.

    • I think she was wondering as we all were, if Vanessa would follow suit with her personality, and vote for Liz. So, Julie’s hunch was right, Vanessa remained petty and pathetically disgusting till the end. And yes, it was fun to watch her break routine.

    • I think they started with Vanessa because production had a pretty decent idea who was gonna vote for who at that point. If we started with Shelli the suspense factor would decrease by a lot because Steve would’ve won before Julie could reveal any Liz votes

    • Production told her to do that. If she had revealed them the other way, Steve would’ve gotten 5 votes right away.

      Production knows who the jury voted for, they have cameras in that podium where they vote. They wanted to make it seem not so predictable.

  406. Vanessa is a disgusting and vile bitch. And has been the entire season. Her exit interview with Julie was vomitrocious. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. They should’ve booed her. She ruined what could’ve been a great season.

  407. Vanessa played a great game. Screw the haters! She’s still a winner!
    This was a GREAT season! I can’t wait for next season…BB 18!

      • It doesn’t represent the real sentiment from people. You can’t hate or love somebody you don’t know that well. Like and dislike is more appropriate.

      • So like Dr. Will on eviction night season 7 against Jase when he said, “hate was the wrong word. What I should have said was dislike or strong disdain for you all.” If Jasmine says screw the strong disdainers that would be great.

      • I appreciate your concern about that word Captain.

        What else can I say besides hater or hating?
        I can’t say screw the dislikers, can I? Or “stop disliking.”
        I can’t say that, it doesn’t sound right.

      • I’m pretty sure if I were to type that on here…people would be wondering why I used those choice of words.
        Clearly you don’t see the word the way I do. I’m using that word in more of an urban context and not basing it on its denotative meaning.

      • Not even me. Dislike? Abso-freaking-lutely. But never have I said I H(word) her. Captain, thanks for all your help and kindness this season! Hope to see you on the Survivor site. Take care…go Raiders!

      • See, you can’t escape me. I’ll be watching Survivor as well. Aren’t you so happy? The gnat follows you around again.

      • Jasmine, I don’t really mean the things I say to you. It’s just fun to have fun with you. Plus it makes my friend, K laugh. And I live to make her laugh!

      • Well, seeing all these comments makes me think that they do. Why else would they call her evil, disgusting, Satan, etc? You can tell they really mean it too, especially if they repeat those same sentiments over and over again.
        Okay, you have a huge hang-up on that word.
        But I’m sorry, it makes sense for me to use it.

      • Oh, I don’t know about that one, Captain. There were some pretty hateful things regularly written here about her.

      • I think people hated her game play – the way she used, abused and manipulated the other HGs. We never got to know her personally, so whether she’s like in real life the way she was in the house, we’ll probably never know. I thought her announcement about her wealth at the end was unnecessary and tacky, though.

      • Maybe it’s just me, but I would say “people dislike her game play”. Sound more appropriate to me.

      • OK. I’ll go with “people disapproved of her game play.” I never said I “hated” her, either. I don’t know her well enough to form that strong of an opinion.

    • Steve deserved to win, and Vanessa was so bitter about losing. She blamed everything on Steve, when she had done all those things herself 10-fold. Pot meet kettle.

      • Who played the best game this season? No doubt it was Vanessa. She didn’t win, but it wasn’t because she was incompetent.
        Yeah, she may be a hypocrite, but there are a lot of hypocrites in the game of Big Brother.

      • She didn’t play the best game. Steve did. Just like Super Bowl 42. It does matter that the Patriots went into the Superbowl with a perfect 18-0 season. They still lost to the Giants, therefore the Giants were the best team that season.

      • Sorry, just because Steve won doesn’t mean he played the best game.
        Jordan from Season 11 won, but there’s no way she played the best game that season.

      • Peyton yes. Eli no. Raiders have looked decent cooper was great last game. Doubt they go anywhere, but still.

      • Well you see since the fumble that wasn’t called a fumble, as a Raider, I am programmed to “dislike” the Cheatriots and Tom Shady.

      • Even with the tuck rule, the ball was all the way down to his belt, his motion was done. Wrong call, it was a fumble.

      • Tough comparison. the best team only wins the super bowl 23% of the time. Five thirty eight has a few great articles on it and the 2007 patriots are the best team in history. Giants were I believe the 8th best that season.

      • No not favored. The best statistical team. The randomness in football makes the best team win the championship only 23% of the time. Better than Hockey and Baseball which are coin flips with all of the playoff teams, but worse than basketball where the best team normally wins.

      • That reduces the randomness of the winner, which is one of the reasons that the championship winner of football is so low. But the natural randomness of any hockey or baseball game makes it a crap shoot in the playoffs.

      • Analytics has made predicting hockey easier. The last team to win the Stanley Cup with possession statistics outside the top 5 was the Pittsburgh Penguins in 07 or 08 I believe.

        The best team usually wins in Hockey.

      • I think it has been proven multiple times that no advantage was gained from any rules infraction. Did they cheat. Yes. Did it give them an advantage. No.

      • Obviously Steve played the best game, he won.

        Vanessa played the more entertaining game, don’t get me wrong, I would have been happy to see her win, but what Steve did was the perfect finish to this season.

  408. The only thing I didn’t like was when Steve tried to justify evicting Jackie. What he said was a straight up lie.

  409. Vanessa got what she deserved. If she was a winner, then she would have voted for Steve because she knows he played a better game than Liz. Vanessa got where she was in the game by being a cry baby and playing the victim the whole game.
    I am filled with joy because I didn’t care who won as long as it was not Vanessa.

    • I was just writing the same thing. Had she evicted him, like Vanessa was going to do to Steve, he had enough respect for the game that he would have voted her the winner…she has zero class. Steve was twice the player Liz was. The only reason Liz got to the end was because the other two knew they could beat her. Vanessa showed what a poor sport she was.

    • I’m proud of Vanessa. She’ll be alright after this. It will be a hard pill to swallow in the weeks to come for her, but she’ll eventually get over it. Not winning this game isn’t going to hold her back. After all, it is only a 500,000 dollar game…and last I checked…Vanessa’s worth more than that.

    • Had Vanessa fell off the stage and broke every bone in her body, then she would’ve gotten what she deserved. But losing out on $500K when you have $4M isn’t karma.

  410. Watched Big Brother from beginning to end.
    I am so happy Steve won. Vanessa did everyone dirty and she got what she deserved.

    • Sorry, Vanessa might’ve been aggressive in the game, but she did deserve that win. Steve should’ve wanted to go up against the strongest player, that way if he were to win against her, he would’ve said, “I won against the strongest player!”

      • Just wonder who Vanessa would have chosen had she won part three…she is a card player, she plays the odds…she would never have picked Steve. Why should Steve have cut his own odds when Vanessa wouldn’t have?

      • She told Julie Chen she would have evicted Steve. That’s what disappoints me about Vanessa, she votes with spite and bitterness instead of rewarding the player who pulled the trigger on her before she could on him.

      • That’s just dumb..

        Why risk losing? Isn’t winning the point of playing the game?

        Why would anyone bring an equal or better competitor to sit next to them, when there is an easy win option..

      • You’re right. But if he were to pull it off, then it wouldn’t have been dumb, would it. It would’ve been a risky move that payed off.

      • Why assume more risk? To prove a point? Winning against Vanessa or Liz both would ‘pay off’ the exact same amount $500K.

        I’d personally take the easy $500K, than a riskier chance at $500K and some bragging rights that nobody remembers 2 weeks from now.

      • Steve did go up against her in the final HOH. And Vanessa said she wouldn’t have take Steve. So she couldn’t say that either. They were both going to take the weakest house guest to the finals.

    • Not really. Had she fallen and hit head on rock, then maybe I would agree that she got what she deserved. But losing out out on $500K, when you have a net worth of $4M isn’t exactly karma in my opinion.

      • I don’t think it was ever about the money for her… I think it was about the title and I’m glad she didn’t get it. Even though I didn’t like her as a player I am willing to admit she manipulated the hell out of the other players.

      • It was about the money too. She said she wasn’t going to donate it to charity. She said she was going to keep it. That is what made Frankie redeemable to so many people who disliked him last year. He was at least playing for charity.

      • Now I’m super glad she didn’t win but honestly if she had win it was hers to do with as she pleased. I don’t think there is anything that could make me like Frankie but at least he was being charitable.

      • People who have lots money tend to spend a lot. I really believe she has spent most of her money and probably needed badly to win that money to keep her lifestyle at the level she is used to.

  411. I wanted Jmac to win but so glad Steve grew a pair and voted out Vanessa, she didn’t need the money if she’s already a millionaire. Liz floated through on Austin’s coat tail. In my opinion he played her game for her.

    • He voted her out too late to save the season. He should’ve gotten Vanessa out during the DE, but instead he went after Jackie? WTF? And he lied about his motives concerning that eviction during the finale.

      • He did win. And he deserved to win. But he missed out on the chance of being considered the greatest player of all time by not evicting Vanessa, and evicting Jackie instead.

      • Dude.. HE EVICTED VANESSA!

        Him evicting her last was also a very pleasing TV moment for BB fans waiting and hoping for this moment.

      • I know what he did. 99% of people in his position would’ve done that. Cody from BB16 is the only idiot who didn’t. But Steve would’ve been the geastest in Big Brother history if he had gotten out Vanessa in the DE, and not Jackie, who had done nothing to him, and he was given the wrong information, by Vanessa.

      • The goal of the game isn’t to be the greatest player ever. Pretty sure they just want to win half a mil. He did that. Case closed.

      • What? He won the game. Anything else you suggest he should have done would have likely lost him the game.

  412. So happy Vanessa didn’t win… But I still think Johnny Mac or James would have been better. But you can’t have it all lol. Steve was an awkward player but he pulled it off. Special thanks to the Big Brother Network for keeping me up to date on all the latest happenings in the house. Here’s to next season!!

    • If there was any redeemable moment, it was seeing Steve not pull a Cody. We finally got see what would’ve happened if Cody hadn’t taken Derrick to final 2.

      • Steve’s mom said in an interview that if Steve was put in a Cody position, he would never do what Cody did. So I knew there was no way he would take Vanessa to the final. He would never do that to his mom.

  413. Gee, it’s after dark and I can go to bed! Night all and to all a good rest of the year! See you and it’s been wonderful lllllaaahh!

  414. Am I the only one who’s a bit shocked that Dr. Will kind of looks like a porcelain doll?

  416. The whole time I thought Vanessa was manipulating Steve by being “mom-like” to him but turned out Steve used that to have Vanessa think she had control over him. What was telling is Vanessa’s interview with Julie.. She said that she never fully trusted Steve. Yet she never targeted him which is a tribute to Steve’s game.
    I believe Steve realized the power of Vanessa’s influences early on and aligned himself with her… The move to evict Jackie is underrated. Vanessa told him what to do and he did it. Had he gone rogue Vanessa would have known she can’t control him and then he’d been targeted. All personal feelings aside, Vanessa was clearly the best player and favorite to win but what do you call the player that evicts that person????
    Ian still brought Dan to f2. Cody brought Derek to f2. Steve clearly studied past bb’s and evicted one of the best players of all time. Does that rank him in the Dan/Will/Derek stratosphere….. IMO yes!!!

    • Not sure about that at all (largely due to his quivvering during his eviction of her) but you’re making me re-think things a bit. – Interesting.

      • Vanessa Was Quivering When She Did Austin clearly. Love that steve mentioned that also as a reason for burning her. No one saw that, no one. Steve and Austins extreme tightness all summer. How can the big jerk befriend the weak geek, rt? Wrong.

    • Cody is an idiot. And Dan didn’t win. So you’re saying that Steve is smarter than Cody? I’m pretty sure we all are.

      • Whether or not we think Cody made the right decision, Cody has recently said he never regretted that decision. He said he knew Derrick had a daughter and was trying to save for her college education, and he was glad Derrick got the money. Cody said all he wanted was a new car out of the deal and he got that. He and his family are still close friends with Derrick and his family, and he’s happy with his decision.

      • Why would Cody regret it? He’s a freaking model. He was modeling before Big Brother, and he did the show to get exposure, and advance his modeling career. No offence to Steve, but he’s no Cody, and there isn’t a future in modeling for him.

      • I think Steve absolutely made the right decision. To not evict Vanessa would have been a $450,000 mistake. He’s a college student, so good for him. For Steve, it was more about the money. For Cody, it wasn’t, and didn’t need to be. Hey, everybody’s happy.

    • Yea I truly.thought the” I’m your momy” con she played on him was exceedingly transparent and weak

    • It was pretty clear Steve knows long ago that he can’t cross Vanessa until the most opportune time and the one moment he was caught in a lie by her, he almost ended up going home. It’s more or less being able to figure out a way to get to her good side while plotting a way to get rid of her. He had a few chances but cutting her at F3 after winning the last HOH seems like the best pivotal way to do so.

      And that was my dream scenario 2 weeks ago since I really doubt Vanessa would be taken out before F3, especially with Austwins still around at the time.

  417. So.. to those of you that kept on and on about how it was rigged for Vanessa.. do you want to explain what happened, or are we just going to take your silence as acceptance of being wrong?

  418. People earlier said Vanessa was pretty bitter during her exit. She sounded pretty good in her exit interview.

    • She was disgusting throughout the entire season, all the way to the end. Steve played the best game. Vanessa knew that, and she still voted against him. That is one bitter bitch.

    • Probably because she had time to regroup and put on her phony face. I think the real Vanessa was the ungracious woman who skulked out after being evicted, immediately tried to play the victim with Julie, and then cast a vote for Liz, who she knew didn’t deserve to win. Bitter, bitter girl.

    • The magnitude of hatred coming from some of these people is making me uncomfortable. Not to mention, like you rightly point out, isn’t entirely rational.

    • She did during the interview but the vote for Liz seems like spite. It’s not as if she played in a poker tournament for 90 days just to end up as the bubble…oh wait.

  420. Watching Liz answer jury questions about game play against Steve is like watching a 16-year-old girl answer questions about the theory of relativity against Einstein.

      • Love that sh!! Funniest moment all season. I love Julia. She’s piss funny. Don’t care if people hate that she is attractive, she is a twin so gets the attention you dont. Meaning those of us who are bitter no one tells us we are special. Earn thy sh!!. Or thays she isn’t Einstein.

    • Her poker face sucked. She wore poker cliche sunglass covering her face then had 4 to 6 different personalities. Rage, bugged out eyes, thinking face, what else? Oh victim tears face. Etc. All over the place.

      • It was beautiful because it was obviously mocking all those who believed the bs TV show myth.

      • I’m misunderstanding. U think she heard about.the mythical rumor, no. So your saying that face was a blind response to all the chat nonsense.

      • No…I’m saying someone in Production most-likely told her on the fly during the commercisl break right before she revealed her poker playing past to work the words into conversation as a joke shout out to people on the boards.

  422. Ah I’m surprised that John didn’t win AFP, I thought he was a little popular and his applause was a little louder than Jame’s. Neverless, James probably deserves the money more so I’m not too upset, plus I like him. I wonder how close it was though and if people voted who needs or who do I like? And maybe James fans revoted more while JohnnyMac fans assumed he would win.
    And I am so proud of Steve for cutting Vanessa:) So happy she didn’t win, and Steve had nice, clear answers to all the jury questions. Not my favorite, but he played an excellent game.

      • I am almost positive that is NOT the reason. He won it with his personality, situation, support, and others things. Maybe that was a factor, but not the deciding decision

      • That was the reason why Jason and Johnny Mac were in top 3. But the reason why James won, was bc he put Clay and Shelli on the block. America hated Clelli, hence why didn’t didn’t even break the top 3, and James won it. I don’t know if you watched the feeds or not. But when Clay and Shelli were in the house, it became The Clay & Shelli Show. And they were the most vomitrocious couple. And for weeks people were paying $5.99 to see these two vomits cuddle in bed, and flirt with each other. If we wanted to see that, we would watch The Bachelor. Clelli needed to be broken apart, and be put on the block together. James was the only person in the house with the balls to do that. That is why he won.

      • Yes, Clelli was hated, but believe it or not they had some fans, and most people were okay with Shelli once Clay was gone. Besides, Liztin was more hated, although they didn’t really happen till later I guess. It did boost up James’s popularity a lot, but was that the only reason? Look, if Austin had broken up Clelli for some odd reason, maybe people would hate him less, but he would never ever win AFP. Therefore, James’s personality was part of the factor, at least in my opinion.

      • James was a great guy. Very likeable. So was Johnny Mac. So was Jason. As well as Meg, Da’Vonne, Jackie, and Becky. And those were the people who got the most votes. But what made James the standout, out of all of them, was that he was the first person who wasn’t scared to make a big move. And he did exactly what America had wanted for weeks. He put Clelli on the block, and axed that horrible 24-hour soap opera that was constantly shown on the feeds.

      • Ok, fair enough.
        Have you seen twitter though? I find it interesting that on the 3 tweets he himself so far made, the lowest favorites was a little above 1 k and the others are at least 3k favorites. While James’s tweets have not all hit the thousands…very interesting.

      • Hmm, fair enough.
        Have you seen twitter though? I find it quite intriguing that of the three tweets John himself made so far, he has not gotten lower than 1.2k favorites and has gone up to over 3k. Not all of James’s tweets have hit the thousands. Also, JM has the most followers out of all the houseguests, 84.5k, while James has about 30k less. So I am still slightly surprised how JM didn’t win AFP if he has so much popularity. I guess people didn’t vote that much?

      • What does twitter have to do with anything? You voted on the CBS website, not twitter. There are a lot of reality shows that use twitter as their voting system (American Idol, The Voice, etc), but Big Brother doesn’t.

      • Oh no, don’t get me wrong, that’s not what I meant. James won fair and square. My point was though, John seems to be more popular on social media and other things.

    • I knew if James was in the house a week or 2 longer he would have crushed the votes. However it’s cool to see memory doesn’t fade through people’s true feelings on good things. Even Jason proves this statement as 3rd.

    • Two previous winners were lobbying their fans for James to win. Both Jun Song (BB4) and Evel Dick were pushing for James to win AFP the past 2 weeks. That probably helped him a lot.

      • Oh that makes sense. Mmm people should just vote how they want, not how BB alumni want to win. I pretty sure I heard Evel Dick was not a Johnny fan too, but I might be mistaken.

  423. I wish the Finale was 2 hours long and we got the chance to see them all talk as a group. It would be interesting to hear their thoughts. Love ’em or hate ’em, congrats to them all for playing! And thanks to you folks for making it all interesting!

    • Agreed. I wish they would give jurors more time to grill the F2 but that would have been interesting only if Van was one of F2.

    • I would have liked to see a few more reveals. Like those hinky votes they were worried about at the beginning. Things could have been a lot more dramatic. But I suppose they wanted to keep a happy atmosphere.

  424. I was disappointed that Vanessa did not vote for Steve who was clearly the better player but maybe she was too shocked from being evicted and would have thought better of it given time. I always thought that sticking with austwins to final 3 would have been better play for her because she would have had better chance to win final hoh, but zero safety net if she didnt. She ended up having a weak safety net much to her surprise!

  425. Okay Vanessa finishes 3rd, and the best player didn’t win BB17. Vanessa earned her way to F3 whether u liked or repected her game or not. Steve & Liz not so much, both were saved from eviction by Vanessa. Yes, Vanessa is a poor loser but she worked harder anyone. The deceit, manipulation and histrionics all took energy. Steve cutting Vanessa’s throat even as a power move didn’t sit right wit me. Steve had one chance to show loyalty to Vanessa and didn’t. Van could have gotten rid of Steve many times but didn’t. Vanessa kept her alliance safe as long as possible and choose Steve over Austin. Steve ending Vanessa game for jury votes is fine, but he did win over the Best in the game. Well Van -moving on BB17 is history, you will be remembered BB first villain lol Congrats to Jmac AFP,

    • Why? She was going to cut his throat. How does that statement play, in your thought process? I respect your opinions though even though I despise that style of winning (Vanessa).

      • She would have taken Liz yes but but those women were allies possibly Week 1. Vanessa playing both sides to the end -brilliant. Steve didn’t take the best player to beat, then elevated his game play by putting trying to dis-credit Liz’s in his speech.

      • There’s nearly too much to disagree with here. First of all Vanessa had no social game. She was a scary witch who won and people had to listen to her. Steve had the top 7 social game. Here’s why. He connected with everyone l. As Gary Oldman said in The Professional, “eeeeEEEVERYONE!” And he connected with the best gamers, wisely. Austin who like i said yesterday, he was tight with since the begining and Vanessa, though that took time. He went around like no one else to each person and talked to them, asked for hugs, allowed himself to be made fun of and befriended the twins and julia. He was in fact up and about more than anyone. He was ” the boy” also why in God’s name would he take the best player to beat as you stated. What yoh want to loose? That’s a bad statement. Vanessa fed him? She used him like everyone else. She also nearly gave hI’m a panic attack. You think he has no pride? Just because he has a teddy and likes his mom. He played that, that, Vaness to survive. Yes he was “Very sneaky” but Jason called out Vanessa on stage for always playing the victim and not taking an ounce of credit. “I’m not evil, I would never lie” all day while Steve straight up said ” I’m a sneaky bastard” anyway sorry I disagree. Thanks for playing.

      • Well, we can agree to disagree. Didn’t Steve put Austin (&Liz) OTB, subsequently, Julia went home. Social game? And u can’t possibly control a house of people w/o a social game. Steve’s panics well that’s just strong vs the weak. No need for Vanessa to tally credits, she did everything to yur face. Besides, that could take awhile, starting augments, lies , controlling most HoHs etc. Not one Hgs called her out, oops James tried V shut him down nd iut the door. And yea Steve made 1 movet to win the game, last season Cody took the best player to end. …and 2nd felt like a win. Game Over.

      • Deal, we can agree to disagree on this one. I am not saying Stwve had a better game, I’m saying he had social game, social skills and was liked. He made two enormous moves. As u stated, put.up Austin (btw) who was the only one to call out Vanessa about a flat out lie she told and made her admit it on the show.) And he cut the head off as he stated, in his opinion the best female player he’s ever seen. If it was me I’d pay her respects then axe her. Thanks for your responses.

    • Vanessa only kept Steve cause it was good for her game period. Not because she was honoring any deals made with him.

  426. Bullies don’t get rewarded. Karma. She may have been singular ice; but, if you watched the feeds- she, Liz, Julia and Austin were school yard bullies.

  427. I wonder if Vanessa regrets being on the show. Her vote for Liz says “yes!”. 3rd place really really sucks… lol.. at least Jace had the summer to himself! All that time, energy, and tears for what? Millions of haters?

    Game Theory FTW!

    See you next season in BB18!

  428. It was beautiful. Bullet to the head, burned everyone in and outside the house. (Sure she’ll live) and Mel forgive. What goes on in the bb house stags in the bb house, rt. Lol. Then the Steve win, great kid. And Johnny Mac was 24% ahead of James the last 3 weeks and I didn’t see that come back coming but was extatic for James. He deserves it for all his charismaticly freaky stunts and entertainment in the house and like steve, can use the money for good, his daughter. 17 reaults as the cards lay ended perfect for me.

  429. Okay, now I can say: this sucked.
    The worst-case scenario happened. Steve won (didn’t deserve to), James won America’s Favorite Player (didn’t deserve to) and it was kind of to be expected.
    I hope next season will be better…

  431. Best parts of the finale, are Vanessa finally getting the boot, and James winning America’s player, as for Steve winning I could care less as long as it wasn’t Vanessa

  432. What lesson do you think V will take from this life experience? None, is not an acceptable answer!

  433. This is the episode I’ve been waiting for all season and it was worth the long wait as we finally get to see someone taking out the only hurdle left to win that grand prize.

    And boy oh boy was that Final HOH intense! After Vanessa tied the score with Steve, it was anyone’s game at this point. I was at the edge of my seat watching it the whole time.

    While I’m sad that John didn’t win America’s Fave, good for ME for winning it. I have finally conquered the hearts and minds of every American and the next step of my plan is for WORLD DOMINATION!! BWAHAHAHA!!

    Kidding aside, happy to see James win as surely 25k is still a life-changing financial investment for his kid’s future.

  434. Vanessa would have to wear dark glasses to play poker, because her huge eyes give her away every time.

  436. Woohoo. I was happy Steve had the guts to kick off Vanessa and even more so when she said she’d do it to him. I dislike the reunion part every year because we don’t get to hear from enough people. I wanted to hear more of what the first evicted people had to say. Liz was not prepared at all to be there and what she had to say showed that. I was just happy for Steve, its nice to see a super fan win it all.

  437. Did anyone notice Austin roll his eyes and shake his head ‘no’, at the very end when Julie was talking about people wanting to apply for the next BB? Also, I saw Vanessa and Mel hugging non-stop but I didn’t see Liz running up to Austin to hug him. Did she? Something I really liked was when Steve was hugging JMac at the end and Austin walked up behind him and kind of tapped Steve on the arm.Steve looked briefly at him then walked off with JMac. Good man, Steve. Why would you accept a phony hug from someone who did nothing but insult you by calling you ‘boy’? So very happy with the outcome of the finale. Liz was a very good loser, but I don’t think Vanessa has begun to acknowledge the nasty way she played. She was much better behaved than Austin though. He’s the worst. Hope Liz gets her senses back and that the twins enjoy the combined money they made, without Austin. The way he was disliked on the show might actually help him in his career. He can play the villain now and get booed every time he enters the ring.

    • I agree. Austin doesn’t care whether the attention is positive or negative; he just wants the spotlight. I wantrd to punch him when he kept calling Steve ‘boy. WTF was that?, That BOY just won $500g and you go home w nothing.

      • I know, I hear u but it’s meant as endearing. It really is trust me. But it isn’t coming off that way. And can be seen as a demeaning thing but.grandma boy and the gang or family had that developed on BBAD and all stuck to it.

    • Wowwww. Steve blew up Vanessa by saying “and for what you did to Austin”. Steve mentioned he and Austin formed a tight bond day 1 and carried it through the season. He mentioned it 2 or 3 times. Liz did jump on Austin imediately. He did roll his eyes as to say “you never want to do this” as all the other hg’s said all season. I’d never do this again. Ypu are a clear Austin hater and I’m cool with that because I’m a fan, for different reasons.

    • People usually love to hate good villains though. Austin is just hated….he doesn’t seem like a horrible guy, but he is definitely a pompous ass.

  438. Bitter…Bitter…Bitter…didn’t give her vote to Steve…said something about voting for the one you stood for the essence of the game this season…right…you got burned girl and that’s that.

    • I’ve never seen someone so bitter in BB history. She wanted Liz to be the legacy of BB17? Bitter, Bitter, Bitter.

  439. Vanessa had a choice to compete with Steve or JMAC in HOH final in F3. She chose Steve and now regrets that choice. Hahaha. Mistake YOU CRYBABY!! WOOT

    • She ditched austin and I thought that was an acenine numbers mistake. 3/1 vs 1/3. She got lucky and won three final comps and vetos. (God has a twisted sence of humor) she keeps Austin stays true to her aliance and Jmac is gone, then Stwve who in my previous statememts is lethal, at puzzle comps. She had a better chance defeating austin. She made critical mistakes in the end and those cost her the game, Like Austin said on his way out “you can’t win.” Wickedness works until the needle slips and then the poisin stings worse.

      • Yep, I agree that her last few decisions were critical mistakes; she over analyzed, over thought, then did it over & over again and again, ad nauseum. For a college-educated woman she knows that when there are multiple choice answers on a test, pick one and DO NOT change your answer – the PROBABILITY is that you will change it to the wrong answer

        Interesting last sentence; is it a quote from a famous work?!

      • You said ad nauseaum. I like it. No I just.dropped that line on the fly. I was processing from feeling how she fell and needing a crescendo. I was terrible at multiple choice.

      • Wow! That came from your own thought process – very insightful … I really thought you’d say it was Shakespeare or someone like that. Well, I said it before, I think you’d make an entertaining HG because you’d just say it like it is, get into faces when necessary, then turn around and say; anyone ready for a swim! :)

      • Giggling, thanks. Your post was spot on. I think Vanessa leapt up because production was ushering them out. Dono though.

      • BTW, I know steve and Austin are tight since day was he throwing in there at the end that he was also doing this because she screwed him over in the disrespectful way or other?

      • That’s my read on it generally – it was a reminder, a reason and a possible justification tthat he gave her. She ousted her trusty right-hand ally – so Steve realized no one was “sacred” to her in the house.

  440. I also have to admit.. Steve went hard on those final questions! I’m not going to say he attacked Liz at the end there, but he shot down her points like he was playing Duck Hunt

    • Funny Nintendo recall. Steves very smart and talks following his sharp thoughts. Liz kept going to the twin target well. She wasn’t creative enough but I didn’t expect much. I think she was graceful or grateful to be, not only choose by Steve, the one who didn’t back stab her boyfriend, a bonus. Also grateful she was chosen for any money since she was defeated fair and square in the comps. I liked and felt she was happy and steve was happy. I also bathed, as Jason stated in Vanessas worthless defeat. But that’s a whole other convo.

  441. Like most of you on this board, I found Van’s eviction quite satisfying. Steve did make me crazy with his hands constantly being brought up to his mouth or his head … But hey, whatever it took to muster his courage! He was a stand-up guy to acknowledge her as a great player – also mentioned her booting Austin – so he gave Van REASONS for his eviction choice; see ma, you taught me well! After Steve’s ousting of V, I was a bit surprised to see Van jump up from the chair and MARCH toward him – she hugged him but I swear, if it were legal, I think she wanted to bitch slap him. I mean why go to Steve first? Evictee noms “usually” turn to one another, hug first, then hug everyone else. Her face was so restrained – I think she knew she had to come off as a good loser – she does have a public image after all. I also thought her announcement to the HGs about her job was fine but she HAD to mention (brag about) her $4mil winnings. Ugh!
    Well, good luck to Steve and his future endeavors.

    • Twice about the $. The rottennnnn. Knows herself best. However I still think she’s wicked smaaart

      • No doubt she’s smart. But she is really a witchy person, she wasn’t acting in that house at all. That showed last night.

  443. They should have a season of all the people that were evicted in the first week over the last 17 years. I think Jace would win.

  444. Vanessa got what she deserved. Her game was too flawed. She made way too many mistakes. She had the chance to evict Steve, but she went with Austin instead. That was her biggest blunder considering that Austin was going to throw the final HOH, and Vanessa would’ve won.

    But her biggest flaw was that she tried too hard to be Derrick. She is no Derrick. Not even close. Derrick was able to fool people into thinking he wasn’t the strongest competitor, until it was too late. Even Cody. Derrick even went on record saying that he would be happy just win $50K. Vanessa made it clear she was a strong competitor, and that was her own downfall.

  445. I don’t know why it was “important” to tell the house guests she was a poker player and a millionaire. WHO CARES!

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