‘Big Brother 19’ Finale: Was The Jury Bitter? [POLL]

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The Big Brother 19 winner was decided after the Jury cast their votes and crowned Josh Martinez as the king of the season over Paul Abrahamian. After rumors and reports of a bitter Jury the truth seemed to match up with the hype. So was the Jury bitter or did Josh truly earn the win over Paul?

Watching the Jury round table it was clear that this group was not happy with Paul and the way he betrayed their trust in the game. Paul worked them over and his exit strategy was horrendous. He never stopped lying to them about their position with him in the game, even when answering the final Q&A session. But when compared to Josh’s “pots & pans” parade through the summer, did they really have a better choice or was Josh simply the “anyone but Paul” candidate?

Paul ended up losing 5-4, again. It was painful to watch, but he failed to secure that feel-good Jury he would need to correct his past mistakes. Listening to the Big Brother backyard interviews last night added a little more understanding to just how those votes panned out.

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Never B4 in BB, have I seen so many people happy that someone won, not because they won, but because they wanted the other to lose so much

— EvelDick (@EvelDick) September 21, 2017

As for the five who voted for Josh, were any of them really voting for Josh or were they just voting against Paul? Alex said she was voting for the player who stabbed her in the front instead of the back, that’s anti-Paul. When Jason had his backyard interview it almost sounded like he was talking himself in to voting for Paul, but he was so upset about the betrayal that he went for Josh instead. Mark told Dr. Will in his interview that Paul played the better game, but the better player doesn’t always win. Well they definitely don’t if you don’t vote for them, Mark.

Elena? She was straight up and said she was going to be a bitter Juror. In fact, she announced on Twitter that she likely would have voted for Christmas over Paul. Wow. Then lastly, with Cody? He told Dr. Will that he “hated” Paul. Cody had mentioned he didn’t want to see a Vet win, but he also told Jessica he would vote for Paul if he got to the end.

Listening to the interviews there was little talk from Josh’s voters for why they liked his game. Instead the topics focused on why they didn’t like Paul’s. Clearly Paul messed up with his game and blew it with the Jurors. Again. But was it bad enough to warrant losing the game after controlling it all season?

Julie Chen told EW.com her thoughts on the Jury’s decision:

I think the jury made the wrong choice. Paul was robbed. But Josh was no slouch. He won competitions, had a conscience and didn’t mislead people in the same slick way that Paul did.

Update: Watching Rob Cesternino’s backyard interviews where Cody reveals he had a “Jury pact” set to vote against Paul. Looks like they were planning on making Paul lose for awhile now. That’s what Cody was referring to when he placed his key and told the Jury that he was keeping his word.

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Per Cody's "Jury pact" reveal it sounds like probably Paul lost #BB19 weeks ago. "Anyone but Paul" was going to win.https://t.co/1Yh2gUbWMu

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What do you think? Was Paul robbed? Was the Jury bitter? Did Josh deserve the win over Paul for game play or just for not being Paul? Share your thoughts below, but keep the discussion civil!


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  1. Not sure I agree with the poll options. Just because the jury was bitter doesn’t necessarily mean Paul earned the win. His jury management was very poor.

      • There does seem to need to be at least one more option in the poll though. Something based on yes the jury was bitter, but Josh played the game and added to their bitterness toward Paul with his gameplay.

        Also, Josh took Paul over Christmas BECAUSE he knew it was a bitter jury. People seem to be missing out on that fact. He might would have beat Christmas easier, but you can’t argue that Josh did what he did because he correctly saw that it was a bitter jury where as Paul thought they all still liked him.

      • I do agree with your assessment, Brett. I also wonder if Josh (as a “super fan”) had a 2ndary thought and that is: taking Xmas – the girl with a broken foot, being “carried” to the end) would make his win less impactful or satisfying? Yes, he could still talk about his goodbye-message strategy to the Jurors, and chances are they may have voted for Josh to win. None of us knows what that pairing (Xmas/Josh) would have actually resulted in, but in the final analysis, it was the best pairing out of the 3 … you know, like on Survivor, you want to see the finalists who REALLY did all the out-lasting, outplaying stuff.

      • Absolutely! Paul was robbed in BB18, but not this year.

        Bitter jury once, shame on them. Bitter jury twice, shame on Paul.

      • If i were in jury i wouldn’t vote for the SNAKE EYES…. i have never liked Paul. So happy they voted against him. I love it.

      • I’ll be fair. If I was in the jury, I would vote for who played the best game. That would’ve been Paul up until a couple weeks before finale. Paul played the jury, but Josh played the jury AND his own alliance. Nobody expected anything close to a strategic game from Josh but he provided exactly that. He got people to hate him, but not as much as they hated Paul. Now that’s impressive.

      • Because Josh tainted them all…..blaming Paul for all the moves. It’s not Paul’s fault for suggesting who should go. Man up to your HOH choices! Even when Paul had the power he was honest with Alex.

      • I’m not sure how telling the truth is tainting the jury. He merely took the opportunity to tell outgoing houseguests that Paul played them. If they wanted to be bitter, it was their own decision. Do I think Paul should have won, yes. Do I think he deserved to win. Well considering for the last half of the game he was the only one playing, yes. But Paul’s poor jury management cost him the game, not Josh outing him.

      • Wouldn’t have mattered what Paul said to the jury, they said weeks ago they made a pact, it was called, Anyone But Paul, and to me that is a childish, bitter jury.

      • I watched the video, and the “pact” thing looked to me like Rob putting words in Cody’s mouth, but maybe that’s just me.

      • I think there was bitterness but I think it was justified – Paul got a huge dollop of unfair advantages – starting with the friendship bracelets through the Pendant nonsense, which no new houseguest could have hoped to win against a popular vet. It was ridiculous. Cody called it right in his exit interview – it was a ‘cheat’. Maybe not one Paul orchestrated but still a cheat nonetheless. Him winning would have cast a pall over the whole show.

      • Yeah, I hope production wakes up to the fact that rigging it from the very beginning is not something the audience wants.

      • Don’t hold your breath.

        Production has shown they don’t care about anything other than ratings. After the bullying and harassment instigated by Paul, he should’ve been told to stop or been kicked out. Those who bullied and harassed at his behest should’ve been shown the door as well.

      • Yes, they were all bullies at one point. Josh, Raven, Alex, Paul. Even those who didn’t stand up to the bullies were in the wrong. Who put them up to it??? Paul!!!

      • I agree – it’s like people are trying to blame Paul just because he didn’t stop Josh. They also forget about Cody jumping up in Paul’s face and threatening him. Mark trying to slam Josh with a pan, Kevin picking up the cup to throw, etc, etc … unbelievable how everything seems to be Paul’s fault – he must be the best dang puppet master on the planet! Hire him now!!! He can sell manure to a cow farmer.

      • There’s bullying and then there’s defending yourself against bullies.

        Paul certainly was the puppet master in the game. He gets credit for that and he gets blame too.

      • 1. Cody didn’t threaten Paul. Paul and Cody BOTH yelled… Paul yelled a lot. He is equally as guilty.
        2. Mark pulled the pans out of Josh’s hands and nothing else. It is clear in the video he was very intentional about not touching Josh.
        3. Kevin picked up a cup to throw?? This is just silly. Toddlers throw cups every day. You can’t seriously be saying that shows his character was anywhere near as poor as Paul’s.

      • You’ve made it abundantly clear that you “hate” Paul – which I find very sad, but you have a right to feel any way you like. I don’t hate any of the game players. I just find it humorous that people are trying to say Paul was the “bully” in the house. Cody DID threaten Paul – running up to someone’s face as if you are going to hit them (even if you don’t) is actually very threatening. The same is true when you pull the pan out of someone’s hand and “threaten” to hit them with it by swinging it toward them but stopping short to just make them scared, I suppose (again, even if you don’t hit them) and picking up a cup and making a motion as if you are going to hit them with it or throw it (again, even if you don’t hit them) IS either bullying or an attempted assault – at a minimum it is a threat. If BB didn’t think it was threatening, they would not have ordered the “boys” to take separate sides of the house. It’s not silly like a toddler throwing a cup – a grown man can hurl a cup and cause damage – and a frying pan can certainly do harm (what if it had slipped out of Mark’s or Kevin’s hand when they did the quick pull back and either the pan or the cup hit Josh in the head?). Cody throwing his chest out and stomping toward Paul was like a rooster being a cock of the walk and ruffling his feathers – I agree it was all completely silly and stupid. I just don’t see where the 3 actions you noted by Cody, Mark and Kevin can be related to toddler actions and Paul’s actions are that of an adult bully?? Sorry, I just don’t agree with you – but, I hope you see that we can agree to disagree. :)

      • Nope, don’t hate Paul at all. Just tired of everyone blaming the rest of the house guests and not holding him to the same standard. I was a HUGE Paul fan in Bb18 but when I got the live feeds for BB19 my opinion totally changed.

      • Josh only did what was instigated by Paul… Nothing happened in that house that was not instigated by Paul whether good or bad. maybe you should also hit the rerun button.

      • Yes! Especially because the benefit was was for “spoiled-brat, Paul! As a Superfan, I was irritated by that decision!

      • i’m sorry, cody got a free trip back into the house. i am not really sure he should be complaining about anyone else cheating. further to that, sure paul got some advantages at the beginning of the game. three weeks. the game was three months? an entire series, never on the block? not once? an entire series, hustling every single hoh? that has nothing to do with unfair advantages. that is how you win the game.

      • Obviously NOT since he lost. Yes, his manipulations were truly amazing, but his disrespect of every other house guest was not.

      • Oh, I don’t think 50k is a great loss. However, I think Josh won because he was smart enough to place the blame on Paul in his eviction good byes. LOL

      • No – actually the 5 made a pact before it ever got to that point. They decided they could make the decision among themselves and that’s why Cody said he was sticking to his word.

      • The 5 couldn’t have “made a pact” before they were evicted. Josh placed the blame on Paul in his eviction good byes. The person evicted seen this eviction good bye while sitting next to Julie BEFORE they even entered the Jury house.

      • You misunderstood my comments – I never said, or meant, that they made the pact before they got evicted. I mean they made the “pact” while in jury – feeding on each other’s immature, sore-loser, attitudes.

      • Cody had to compete like every other houseguest who battled back into the house, and it was close. Paul got essentially 1 month of absolute safety for nothing + a handful of loyal friendship bracelet houseguests, so I’m not impressed by the not being on the block trick.

      • Holding that temptation at that time all but ensured that Paul would win it: the other HGS were unknowns and they knew Paul was going in with significant popularity from the prior season. His fan base has been crumbling, ever since. Silly boy hurt his brand!

      • He could only “hold” for three weeks, after that the viewer prize was null and void. It didn’t “ensure” anything anymore than a Big Brother second chance “ensured” Cody was going to win. The viewer prize given to Jessica certainly didn’t “ensure” her win, she didn’t even make it to the jury. Which was too bad as she said she would have voted for Paul.

      • Although Paul clearly had multiple advantages in the game , he chose to play a nasty, disrespectful game…inciting other HG’s to bullying tactics and hateful behavior, while directing blame for his moves and machinations onto his fellow HG’s and trying to create the illusion that his hands were clean, while everyone else he worked with was set-up to get blood on their hands. The ONLY HG that saw through Paul’s fake “friendship” was Cody…..it was only later in the game that Josh caught on to Paul’s game and saw that his only chance with the jury was to reveal the puppet-master’s manipulations that led to each of their evictions and came clean about his alliance with Paul and Christmas…It was a brilliant move to checkmate the smarmy and manipulative gameplay of “Your Boy”, Paul….As much as I didn’t like Josh’s gameplay in the beginning of the season, I began to see a real method of his own to get to the end and I was elated that he outfoxed Paul, the “snake”…..WELL DONE, JOSH….You made BB history, you big “meatball” 😁

      • Yeah, because people are totally going to vote for a bunch of strangers that they’ve met for like 48 hours over someone who spent the whole previous summer on people’s television with an edit that wasn’t very true to his character and made him look nice. Yeah, right.

      • And yet they did vote for Jessica with an even better prize. One that nullified eviction and saved BOTH her BF (the bully) and herself.

        I don’t remember seeing her on TV last season and yet they voted for her …..hmmmm. LOLOLOLOL

        1. Paul got a veto prize that was good for 3 weeks and only 3 weeks which could be used to save one person.

        2. Jessica got a eviction null prize good for 3 weeks which was used to save both Cody (the bully) and herself.

        3. Cody was given the opportunity to battle back into the house

        score = Cody 2 and Paul 1, meaning Cody had the most opportunities given to save his ….

        BTW, if he was really a marine sniper, that 2nd competition was well suited for him huh? I mean since it had to do with accuracy and all. He was losing by trying to muscle it, then his training kicked in.

      • The point I was trying to make was that having the “popularity” contest for a 3 weeks safety thrown in a the 1st week while having a returning contestant in the mix was UNFAIR to the rest of the house. They stood no shot at beating Paul at ANY poll because of his already established support base. If they wouldn’t have removed the winner of each temptation from future polls, Paul would’ve won every single one of them.

        Something similar happened when Rachel’s sister (Elissa) was playing. She kept winning the polls over and over again despite there being much better options player/personality wise. Causal viewers even vote for her to be the 3rd nominee when production abruptly changed the vote from “America’s Player” to “America’s Nominee”, confusing everyone. Rachel’s solid fan-base gave her sister an edge, which was unfair for the other contestants.

        I’m not against the BB production throwing this sort of vote-in twists into the game (I think they did it right on BB 11 when they threw the Coup D’Etat thing circa week 4), they’d just do it in a way that it’s fairer to everyone. This time, that was not the case.

      • Actually, Paul was given 3 whole weeks of safety which meant he couldn’t be nominated for eviction… a HUGE advantage that surpassed EVERY other temptation prize of the entire season, while Jess’s ‘Halting Hex’ could only be used ONCE over a 3 week period at a time when the viewers were sympathetic to the way Jess and Cody were being systematically ostracized and bullied, as instigated by Paul…..unlike Paul, who was handed everything on a silver platter, Cody had to battle his way back into a house filled with Paul’s minions who were doing his bidding and taking on all the blame, like a bunch of lemmings….Cody was at a HUGE disadvantage from the moment that he targeted Paul, who then worked vertime

      • jessica’s prize could be used within three weeks but could be used once. Paul’s made it so he couldn’t even be nominated for three weeks. Then there was the first eviction he was automatically safe for. Also anyone could have gotten jessica’s prize. There was only one person who was going to get the first one.

      • I’m not so sure about the “viewers” voting for Paul to get that first advantage of 3 weeks of safety to work his puppeteering magic on the HG’s… I’ve begun to distrust BB production and I think that they were giving Paul advantages intentionally….

      • Oh, and Cody didn’t get “advantages”? – as in more than one.

        I also think removing all the marines that voted for him as fav HG would only leave votes from his extended family. Even he was surprised he got that win. As he said: “What? Why me?”

        So you said Paul received “advantages” as in more than one. What other “advantages” did he get? Besides the 3 weeks of veto, which I still maintain was not “given” to him, the public voted for him. Any one of the guest could have gotten that prize by vote.

        “Cody had to battle his way back into a house ”

        With was an opportunity given to him by BB and not by a vote. And in a competition that would be one that a sniper would excel at. So the strenuous (joke) battle was hardly a battle at all given who he was battling against.

        Cody was ostracized because he has the personality of a toad, was a bully and not too bright in a social game. ANY social game. He was distrusted and his GF even stated that he was the worst BB competitor ever. Whom I really feel sorry for unless he listens to her. She expressed worry over that very situation, with her family, friends, co-workers etc. and said so. Some things we just conveniently forget huh?

        I really doubt it would have been a better season with the sore loser cry babies that were left. LOLOLOL

        BTW, Paul really didn’t have to work hard to create that “mob” mentality, Cody did that all by himself. As Jessica so aptly put it.

        As for Paul’s “comeuppance”, keep in mind that so far he walked away with 100k . Sooo much more than the cowboy clown and the cry baby muscle head Mike.

        :D

      • Oh, and Cody didn’t get “advantages”? – as in more than one.

        I also think removing all the marines that voted for him as fav HG would only leave votes from his extended family. Even he was surprised he got that win. As he said: “What? Why me?”

        So you said Paul received “advantages” as in more than one. What other “advantages” did he get? Besides the 3 weeks of veto, which I still maintain was not “given” to him, the public voted for him. Any one of the guest could have gotten that prize by vote.

        “Cody had to battle his way back into a house ”

        With was an opportunity given to him by BB and not by a vote. And in a competition that would be one that a sniper would excel at. So the strenuous (joke) battle was hardly a battle at all given who he was battling against.

        Cody was ostracized because he has the personality of a toad, was a bully and not too bright in a social game. ANY social game. He was distrusted and his GF even stated that he was the worst BB competitor ever. Whom I really feel sorry for unless he listens to her. She expressed worry over that very situation, with her family, friends, co-workers etc. and said so. Some things we just conveniently forget huh?

        I really doubt it would have been a better season with the sore loser cry babies that were left. LOLOLOL

        BTW, Paul really didn’t have to work hard to create that “mob” mentality, Cody did that all by himself. As Jessica so aptly put it.

        As for Paul’s “comeuppance”, keep in mind that so far he walks away with 100k . Sooo much more than the cowboy clown and the cry baby muscle head Mike. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd0fb5044b4382944fc51542c6b30a1abcd6d8f36b778cee45dfa481d67503c5.jpg

      • I wouldn’t call that a temptation. Offer a houseguest on the first night 25k? Someone was going to take it, even if they had announced it would bring Paul into the house.

      • Kevin was tempted? Didn’t they say that SEVEN people hit that buzzer for the money? I think it’s a little unfair that you blame only Kevin. But I respect the fact that we all perceive things differently. Peace…

      • I totally disagree….Cody was never out to form multiple alliances and lie to everyone. As a matter of fact, he was playing his own game from the beginning and didn’t even confide in his alliance when he wanted to nominate Paul. Unlike Paul, he didn’t try to manipulate others or try to turn HG’s against each other…he was, like Alex, a REAL competitor.

      • Exactly. Granted the battle back was geared for him to win, but giving a vet three weeks safety, really rigged the game and changed the outcome, IMO.

        Come on, America loves an underdog and the edits were shown that he was the underdog, so it’s no wonder that Paul and Jessica got the temptations when they “needed” them.

      • Yes, but Julie said it, He had safety for three weeks..what about the rest of the time? The only other time he had it was when MARK, gave him the safety from the apple tree! They were stupid enough not to put him up when he wasn’t safe! That is playing the game, by the way, Derrick was never on the block either and he won. Paul’s mistake is not owning what he did and the jury was very bitter, bunch of cry babies.

      • Couldn’t agree more. Paul played the best game hands down. The show either needs to get rid of the jury system altogether or factor in America’s vote too. Paul was robbed…plain and simple. You can argue all you want about the “shadyness” of how he played, but that’s BB…it’s more of a social experiment than anything else. He controlled that house from the beginning and that takes some serious work and intelligence. The jurors need to stop acting like whining little babies and vote with their heads instead of their hearts.

      • Well judging by the fact that America voted Cody for AFP, I’m not sure America’s vote would have helped. Paul clearly played the better game and I think deserved to win, but part of the game is managing the jury and in that part of the game, he failed miserably. His answers to the questions and his little speech at the end were horrible. I know they probably didn’t matter and the jury had already made up their minds, but I expected more. I would be curious to see the outcome if he had owned his game with the people leaving the house and with the jury questions. I don’t think it would have changed everyone’s mind, but there is a chance is would have made a difference with Alex and Jason. Those votes would have been enough.

      • I don’t think he failed, he did all he could possibly do. Josh placed all the blame on him and played the jury nicely against Paul.

      • Josh didn’t lie or deceive about the facts in his goodbye messages to the evicted jurors, unlike Paul, who lied and deceived throughout the entire season, as well as to the jury in their q&a…Josh was clever enough to make it to the end and won rounds 2 AND 3 to become the final HOH….and, justifiably beat out the snake that was so full of himself that he thought that he had it in the bag.. …but instead, he got ‘tea-bagged’ by Josh 😂

      • And he still walked away with 50k and 100k in total. However, even Julie made the stmt that Paul was robbed. I think she just might know a bit more about it than you. LOLOL

      • Haha Josh didn’t have to put the blame on anyone! They all realized the moment they were evicted that they were played by Paul. Josh owned it. Paul continued to lie. Josh’s video revealed NOTHING that they didn’t already know; other than owning his part.

      • That would assume they were smart enough right?

        I mean they must have been smart enough to be taken in by Paul as you and your ilk complain about. Sorry, can’t have it both ways, either they are smart or they are not.

        I really don’t think Josh’s comments helped and he knew it, probably the reason he choose Paul over Xmas, he knew he did damage.

      • I agree. America’s vote for Cody as favorite player I believe was because they respected that Cody was the only one who understood from the very beginning that Paul came in with advantages and was a threat to EVERYONE’S game, while all of the other HG’s blindly fell under Paul’s spell and became little more than pawns in his nasty, deceitful, and self-aggrandizing game.

      • I noticed most people present facts, while you only have conjuncture. How is it that you know the reason why anyone voted? Or that it was out of some respect for a bully with a serious personality problem?

        If any guesses were to be made, it would probably be that his marine brothers voted for him and nothing else. Not his game, not out of respect for a bully, and certainly not his personality or lack thereof.

      • Well, there is always the odd ones right?

        What was it? His charming personality? His Lee Marvin looks? You have a thing for bullies?

        LOLOLOL

      • Jessica rallied that army to vote for him – telling all her fans to vote for him as well – so, Cody had the deck stacked for him. He didn’t even believe it as he knows he has no personality lol.

      • no America vote. It is obvious that many have no idea what they are voting for. As for the temptations… those were all positive to those who accepted them. If they have those in future years these should be a risk/reward type of situation whereas the guest may receive something good or potentially something bad. This is an America vote thing which influenced the protection for some players… so who is to blame overall for what those players received… think about it

      • Our local edition lets the people vote. The results ALWAYS make me want to puke. The only good season was the first before all the “jejemons” took over the fandom.

      • The experiment is not to see who can be the shadiest person, it’s to see who is the most skillful at out lasting the others and doing it in such a way they don’t feel fucked over by you. As Arisa Cox (BB Canada Host) tweeted: If you can’t manage something as natural as human pettiness and resentment in a competitive environment where the people who are eliminated decide who wins, you are doing it wrong. Paul did it wrong, twice.

      • I agree somewhat. Derrick won his season through both house AND jury management. While I feel that Paul should have won since he was the only one really playing the game last half, he failed with Jury Management. That was his own fault.

        That he let Josh blow up his game, shows that he wasn’t in as much control as he thought he was.

      • He didn’t exactly “let Josh blow up his game”…he just failed to respect Josh’s game and was too full of himself to realize that Josh had that move open to him and wisely used it😁

      • I 1000% agree. I can’t understand why people want to hate on Paul because WE choice him for the first temptation? If you want to be angry at production fine, but clearly people are annoyed at Paul for an advantage WE gave him. Once the safety was over he worked hard each and every week to be there and to never go OTB. I hate to agree with Raven, but like she said “are we playing Big Brother or Big Baby”?? Alex and Elana were both completely bitter and didn’t really try to mask it. I found it funny that in all of Dr. Will’s interviews with the houseguests pretty much all of them said he played an amazing game….Yet they voted for Josh regardless.

      • Hmm. I don’t know about how much leverage America actually has. I do know that somewhere on the feeds I heard Paul menton that he was given those perks when they asked him to come back. Then it suddenly went to the foolish fishes. Many of us get so wrapped in some of these shows. Myself as well. We need to remember, it’s TV. Entertainment for the masses! Peace…

      • Because, in the end Josh won rounds 2 AND 3 of the final HOH and held the fate of both Paul and Christmas in his hands for final 2 , which was a HUGE accomplishment……And, he had cleverly used his goodbye messages to the jurors to come clean and tell them the truth about his alliance because he had figured out Paul’s tactic of using everyone else to conceal all the blood on his hands and let each of them take the blame…perhaps if Paul had outlined his gameplay more honestly with the jury instead of lying and trying to shift blame during the the jury q&a, he might have picked up another vote for the win…. I’m just thrilled that he LOST, and Josh WON 😁

      • Pete, Can we still call it a ‘social experiment’ after 19 years? Yes, you’re right he may have controlled the house all summer. But there are more than 1 way to win. After losing last summer, he should have studied his & other smart players seasons, and learned jury management skills. I also think he was raised to believe he is ‘entitled’ as his psch background. Sorry if we don’t agree. Peace…

      • You fail to acknowledge the FACT that an experienced player, like Paul, as a veteran of the game had a HUGE advantage that NO other player in the house had. It would have been interesting to see if “America” would have given it to Paul, knowing that BB production was basically setting him up to win and putting the newbies at a disadvantage from the very beginning…… I hated his gameplay and mean-spirited manipulations and had zero respect for his game… SO GLAD that he was undone by Josh’s smartest move, which he managed with his goodbye messages to jurors 😁

      • You’re right… it is a social experiment. This years big question was “what will happen if I play a dirty game and never own up to my moves” and the verdict is, you lose.

        BB1 was an americas vote season and there is a reason they don’t do that anymore. It is boring.

        The jury vote is one of the most important parts of the game and Paul underestimated it twice. It’s his own fault.

      • Bringing back Cody was to appease the fans because of the backlash they were getting over 3 week safety….that was a hand out for Paul to begin with. Bringing Cody back had their hopes up but you can see it by a mile he’s only there for 2 weeks tops.

      • What free trip? Cody fought for the right to go back into the Big Brother House. What the BS was having to beat out Paul in addition to beating the 3 other evicted house guests! This is the very first time that crap happened! Hell, Victor last season entered the Big Brother House not once, but twice! Paul got 4 weeks of safety which is the biggest BS ever! No house guest who is returning ever got safety, much less 4 weeks of safety! Double BS!

      • Cody had to compete against 2 other people to get into the house. Paul just strolled in! In Big Brother life, being a Vet AND 3 non elimination weeks is huge!

      • I liked how Dr. Will called out Cody on that one – reminding him that he got the hex safety plus he got to come back in after being voted out and yes …. how about those 10+ weeks after that? Even after he came back, Jess won and they didn’t put up any strong players – stupid! They are just made because they made stupid decisions. Paul didn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head – they were just stupid as heck!

      • Plus, Paul tried to play off the 3-week safety as a DISadvantage. No juror is going to fall for that crap. He disrespected ALL of them!

      • I agree. Bad move for BB to allow Paul to have the bracelets and to make the pendant of protection 3 weeks. Even if someone else got it, 3 weeks is too long. This BB sucked because everyone,except Cody and Jessica, worshipped Paul. Played for him. I wished they wouldn’t have brought him back

      • As someone trained in how to set up and administer polls and surveys to get the most valid results, I’d like to point out a false dichotomy in the poll. You don’t have to address EVERY single possibility to eliminate the main bias. The question asks whether the jury was bitter, but the answers only address who should have won, which sets up this dichotomy that:
        The jury was bitter; therefore, Paul should have won
        The jury was not bitter, and Josh should have won

        But BJS and winner selection are not mutually exclusive sets, though. A jury member could be bitter and still believe that Josh deserved to win, and the poll does not offer this choice.

        I think the jury was a pretty bitter one, but I also *strongly* believe that, by neglecting the jury management portion of the game, Paul both failed to learn from his previous mistake and neglected a major portion of the game. I believe he realised this the instant he saw Josh’s good-bye messages.

        I would have voted that the jury was bitter but Josh still deserved to win — and I hated Josh and his antics so much that I stopped watching mid-season. I’ve followed BB19 through this site (the first season I’ve ever missed an episode and let myself see/read spoilers!) and I watched the DVRed finale, out of curiosity.

    • IF the jury was bitter then so am I because I didn’t think Paul earned the win based on gutless tactics of hiding behind others doing his dirty work. In life, I don’t believe we compliment that type of behavior. Competition doesn’t mean you sink to the lowest form to win. It means you win by playing tough. Josh took on the house members. He used the biggest user in the house and won fair and square. I have no axe to grind in how I feel, so if I agree with them, how does that make them bitter? I think people judged this based on their level of ethics more than on a level of trying to complement Paul’s back stabbing as genuine game play. And I compliment them for that. Not to mention that Paul already had one chance so why should he get another and be given the benefit of the doubt if he can’t earn it properly? Sorry…but Josh won through his efforts, not through manipulation and gutlessness. Would he have been my pick if things were different? No! I would have picked Mark because he seemed like the most genuine and decent one of them. But we ended up with Josh and Paul.

      • This is not an award for the most decent person. I believe people should be decent, and, yes, I can see how Paul should have considered how his backstabbing would influence the votes, but he played the best game: hands down. It does bother me that backstabbing should be rewarded, but it also bothers me that mediocrity should be celebrated over talent because it discourages talent. This is clearly an adult decision these jurors were faced with and not some child’s simplistic Disney plot. Most of these jurors were not very adult. First, they deserved to be voted off by someone as slick as Paul because they abandoned their own game play and allowed him to control them. What do they think, that a true friend will abandon their game for them so that they could stab him in the back instead?

      • Playing the best game includes figuring out the psychology of the game and Paul failed miserably there. And no, while decency is not the ultimate goal of the game, this level of play in all of these games where humanity now shows it’s lowest form has generated the outcome of this game, where if you accept the lowest form in Paul’s back stabbing, then you have to be fair if you see the jury as “bitter” and accept the reaction to Paul’s “game play.” Otherwise it becomes a lesson in hypocrisy. There used to be a form of “sportsmanship” that ruled in game play. That we as society have grown to accept so much less is sad. It sets standards for why we have acceptance of other unethical acceptances, as in our elections, religious persecution and everything in our lives. If Paul had been a bit wiser, he would have figured out the ramifications of his style of play. He didn’t. He lost fair and square because of that mistake. It’s not about abandoning your game. It should be about demonstrating that you aren’t such a weak player that you have to win in the lowest form possible. But society has degraded those standard and begun to celebrate narcissism…so…

      • HUGE PRAISE for your comment and astute analysis about the lowering of standards in our society and how it’s reflected in the kind of gameplay that we observed so clearly in this season of BB. I agree, wholeheartedly.👍

      • Thank you! It THRILLS me to see others agree with me on this. I’m hoping we can make a change and move in a direction where game play, life, work, politics and religion can once again become something of value.

      • It would have been very hard for anyone to join the campaign to take out Paul early on since everybody knew he wasn’t going anywhere for the first few eliminations. He had plenty of uninterrupted time to manipulate his base and solidify his supporters and strike fear in the hearts of his opposition.

        IMHO that one stupid “twist” basically ruined the game. Killed it. Until the end. When it came gloriously roaring back to life.

        I’m just sorry I didn’t see it live. I got so sick of seeing everybody suck up to smug and gloating Paul that I stopped watching weeks ago.

        Thank you, “On Demand.”

      • Certainly, in these times they do and that is a sad commentary on where we’ve driven our mindset. Thank Gawd some of us are old fashioned and still appreciate them.

      • Ok, I see so Paul shouldn’t have used anyone because that’s gutless tactics rather than skillful manipulation (which is basically what BB is), but by your statement you’re justifying Josh “using the biggest user”, not really sure I can get behind that justification. I don’t believe Paul twisted anyone’s arm for the tactics that were used, he had plenty of willing participant. I also don’t really understand peoples need to try to make this an ethical game show when clearly it’s not. I completey agree that Mark was genuine and nice, where did that get him in the end??

      • If people aren’t arguing ethics, and I’m not, then stop arguing how the jury “should” and “shouldn’t” vote. They can decide for themselves how they want to vote. Claiming game play is the criteria for voting is applying ethics. There are zero criteria for voting.

      • I kinda saw the ethics argument and went with it to try to inject some logic into the argument overall. Responded to you but not directed at you. Lol.

      • So if they were willing participants and did everything of their own accord then you can’t really say that Paul manipulated them like you’re trying to say. And if he didnt manipulate them or get any blood on his hands himself, then he didn’t deserve to win.

        Either he manipulated them and encouraged the bullying thus earning his win, or they did it themselves (as you are saying) and thus did not deserve to win.

      • Exactly. If this was a totally diff game show where u don’t lie, deceive , outmaneuver, socially and physically then maybe . This isn’t going to be remembered for being good or bad , it was awful ! No winners here , except the actual seasoned player who knew the game .

      • What an unusual comment. This is not life, its a game called Big Brother so hard pass on that sanctimonious sentence. Josh took on the hose members? You mean by bullying and harassing and starting fights at the behest of Paul? In life as you put it that is being a punk, a follower a weak person who is incapable of independent thought.

      • Actually, this is reality t.v. which mirrors life, so the sentence was accurate. Hiding behind everyone’s skirts to have others doing your dirty work is the reason so many here find Josh preferable to Paul, even when Josh did make some punk moves. At least HE made the moves, instead of hiding behind everyone else to do his work for him. Paul’s play was like the type of office gossips who puts a negative rumor out there about the boss and then hides behind other employees who they allow to take the heat for them, even lying when caught. And that was exactly what Paul did. If ever there was a punk move, that would be it.

      • WooHoo! Also failing to give credit to Josh on his GB messages, but instead call him a coward. For someone who’s claiming game, that, too, was a punk move.

      • Yup. It’s a game , THAT’S all .. don’t get it all twisted up in every day . Paul is a good person outside the game . That really has yet to be seen from cookoo Cody , who fueled the hate machine one evicted at a time .. w a yeah he played the better game but we are all stupid looking sore losers let’s all vote for anyone but the actual player of a game! Drop your morals at the door. Hello .. has anyone ever watched prior seasons ??? Game ! Not life ! Cody was soooo immature and unseasoned. He wasn’t stupid , he just didn’t know the game . So he looked stupid and was going to make that person who did that look the same way . Poor sport ! We don’t teach that in real life . Let’s vote for the bitter underdog. No. Take your sanctimonious preaching somewhere else . If you can’t play big brother stay at home and play life or monopoly. Good grief .

    • Agreed. There has to be an option like “The jury was bitter, which doesn’t invalidate Josh’s win”

      • The jury was bitter is simply a form of justification. It is neither true or untrue. And even a bitter jury can be so turned off by the low unethical behavior of a game player that they can vote based simply on that.

      • Simple. Josh was able to explain his actions. Apparently he believed he was being honest and calling out ppl’s game.
        Paul denied his actions.

      • I’m not sure anyone is praising Josh. I think they are saying that of the two, he was the least offensive of them. And that if we are basing the win on game play, he outmaneuvered Paul in the messages he gave each new jury member and by being confrontational. I don’t know anyone that admires back stabbers and that too comes into play in all of these games.

      • My question is would they be bitter of how Paul plated the game if they were in the final three instead of Josh and Christmas?

      • That’s a perfect question. I think the term “bitter” is a form of dismissiveness used to make a point. Was Paul bitter when he called Josh “cowardly?” It seems people use that term to rationalize who they favor.

    • He sucked. He USED Christmas. Slept with her to toy with her ❤️. So he’s a good LIAR!
      How dors that enrich our world? And PAUL is soooo pissed about CODY being America’s CHOICE PLAYER.
      IMHO Paul needs some DEEP, DEEP, DARK therapy. Narcissistic pyschopath.

    • What did him in is continue to lie in front of tens of millions of TV viewers in addition to the jury. How can you be credible when you do not own what was done? Good and bad. How can Paul claim credit when he repeatedly justified his actions as merely being a result of the actions of others so, he did not outsmart them because he just pretty much followed what other house guests wanted which is what he said! You cannot be dumber than that! Paul sank his own ship when all he had to do is tell the truth! That he ordered others to bully Cody which he did. He ordered others to vote out people. That he backstabbed people. All he had to do is own it and say, people, I am sorry for all the horrible things I did to win this game but, it was just game play. Instead, he took no credit for all that he has done so, why not award it to Josh who claimed credit for everything he did?

    • Bwa, hahaha! Looked more to me like a few sore losers and crybabies. Personally, I think the Lee Marvin look alike orchestrated and was the jury puppet master. You really get the feeling that guy was a bully all of his life. What was really funny was the cowboy clown who thought it was real cool to screw over Matt, but went off the deep end when the same was applied to him. And of course there was Mr. Muscle Mark the crybaby who blamed everyone else for his stupidity. He worked multiple sides just like Paul did. Where his own stupidity comes in, is that he got caught, Paul didn’t (at least not during the game). So he cries about it and blames Paul. LOLOL what a joke, Even Julie felt Paul got robbed. I doubt that those that voted only out of vengeance will not be remembered well, may have a conscience problem, and will end up a laughing stock. IMO

      • I think that the fact that Julie thought that Paul would win is a clear giveaway that BB production had tried to engineer a win for Paul…The majority of jurors followed their own conscience and awarded the win to the one that outsmarted their ‘puppet-master’.

    • It’s kinda like Danielle Reyes. I personally find her far more likable but I’m saying that they’re in a similar situation – they pissed off the jury. It doesn’t matter what you do, if the jury doesn’t want you to win, you won’t LOL

    • I very much agree! All Paul had to do was own up to the fact that he had to lie to each couple he positioned himself with. But Paul also did a lot of dirty things this season, with the personal attacks or coordinating them. Maybe Paul should have won, but those personal attacks are what cost him his game, again!

    • I really don’t think he could have done any more as far as jury management was concerned, other than putting a gag on Josh’s mouth. It really was Josh’s jury management that did him in.

    • Most people see it that Paul earned the win. Under this jury not even Derrick or Dan would have won in my opinion, As far as Cody goes he would not have voted for Paul even if Paul had played like Derrick or even Dan. This was in my opinion was the most bitter jury I have seen so far. Even Jessica came out and said she would have voted for Paul due to his game play, I still smh about this jury,

    • The poll and this article is biased. Clearly this Matthew man thinks Paul was robbed. I think Paul and Matthew can go to hell.

  2. Josh didn’t win, Paul lost. He played a great strategic game, but he needed to own it with his jury members not act like he was being played as well. It all came out in the wash.

    • People keep saying that he played a better game but if he played the best game he would have won. He made a huge mistake. He didn’t realize how his treatment of the others and his lies would blow up in his face. They wanted to hear some empathy, they wanted to see the “friendship” and he was loyal to no one besides the ones he thought were easy to beat. He underestimated Josh and how he could get he jurors FORGIVENESS

  3. As Kevin said to Alex “A shoe up there would beat you.” I believe the jury voted for “Not Paul,” as opposed to “Josh.”

  4. This is pretty simple. Josh made the best move of the entire time by his jury videos. He told them the truth about his 3 person alliance and Paul continued to deny. It all could have been for nothing if Paul would have just told them the truth once they were in jury, but Paul continued to act like he wasn’t against them and they all knew then he was just continuing to lie.

      • I think the jury may have voted with their hearts(no rule saying they can’t) but Paul also confirmed what they did when those videos of Josh were shown…..Paul was so indignant, like how dare Josh tell the Jury what was really going on. He should have just acknowledged that what Josh did was a good move and also just as much a game move as anything Paul did.

      • Yup. Exactly. I believe Paul played the best game and ‘deserved’; (as much as anyone deserves it) to win the game but Paul’s reaction says a lot about his character. NBo doubt if Josh had turn on Paul and kept Christmas, Paul would be one of those bitter jurors he whines about. His reaction to Josh’s jury video shows Paul’s patheticness.

    • I couldn’t agree with you more. I could have cared less who won and I pretty much thought Josh threw away the win by taking Paul to the end. When Paul started lying to the jury and couldn’t even own his game I was completely disgusted. His jury management was horrible and that is part of the game!!!!!! If he put them all there then he should have been more strategic. After Paul didn’t own his game I was more than elated to see Josh with the win! Paul is #pissed and now a two time loser. He needs to go away!

      • I soooo agree, can’t believe he lost by the same amount of votes last year. That… should tell him something. Move on with your life Paul. Knowing him, he will try for All Stars. Lol,…Smh

      • Well.. like him or not.. he would be a worthy all star. Back to back finals appearances and completely dominated this season. You can’t be much more worthy of being termed ‘all star’ than that.

      • I just wish Josh would have taken Christmas to F2, denying Paul the 50K. Also, when Paul heard Josh’s goodbye messages to jurors he called him cowardly!?

      • No, Xmas getting $50k would have been worse and then we would have had to listed to the Paul fans crying how Josh only won cos he didn’t take Paul to F2. Much better that Josh BEAT Paul

      • Paul would have voted for Christmas out of bitterness and all of his fans would have said it was justified. Insert eye roll. Lol

      • Exactly. And I remember when he first entered the game, he did not understand why the others did not come after him, But when Cody did, he became Paul’s permanent target.

      • It was cowardly. “Paul came up with this plan to get you out. It’s Paul’s fault.”

      • “Paul… needs to go away!” YES, please take the gnome home, Mommy and Daddy, and resettle him in your basement for good! NO MORE BIG BROTHER for Paul!!

      • I completely agree with everything you said. When it was 4-4 and Cody’s vote would decide it, you could tell by Paul’s face that he knew what was coming.

    • Agreed 100%. Paul didn’t even see how his poor jury management did him in. All he had to do was say “Yup, I was behind it all” and he would have won.

      Sad thing is, Paul is such a narcissist that he probably still doesn’t understand where he went wrong.

      • that was uuuuge….bigly! what a sour puss paul was at the end…he did ok in getting some fame/infamy but left $900k on the table…has to hurt

      • Yup! I truly believe that Paul lost it during that segment answering jury questions. He made me sick with his eyerolls, gestures, and calling Josh cowardly. Projecting much? Narcissistic is right on.

      • And when Josh was talking about the moves he made, Paul was pointing to himself behind Josh’s back. I think Paul pissed them off more

      • I do not care for Alex, but I loved what she said when she was voting. Something about if Paul really wants to be friends after this then her vote should not matter and he can prove that her friendship matters to him. I guarantee Paul wants nothing to do with her now that she didn’t vote for him. I doubt he would have talked to her again even if she did vote for him.

      • Right ! He didn’t give a damn about his fellow HG’s….he was only interested in using, manipulating, and then disposing of them….His “friendship” is totally fake, just like he is

      • Way to say it Deb! I think his actions come from a Mommy patting her boy on his head for all his life & telling him how wonderful he is. The results…he grows up believing this. Then, treats others as if they are all inferior to him. Every person that has interviewed him since the other night has had to hear him complain & whine about him being a victim…”I was the only Vet”

      • Yeah, I was pro Paul in terms of winning (not a fan of his overall) but reaction of his was pure garbage.

      • Agreed. If the dude would’ve just owned up to being a liar and manipulating everyone, it’d be different. But he still tried to convince them that he was this nice guy who had your back and that just pissed the jury off because Josh exposed Paul to them. Plus I mean the jury is gonna share notes lol.
        I guess he tried to pull a Derrick, but Paul was nowhere near as subtle as Derrick was in his gameplay, he really messed up by not owning up to his moves

      • True, I mean Paul did’t see that until after all the votes were cast and final pleas made so he couldn’t factor it into his speech, but all the jurors knew what was up. You are totally right though after they showed the video of that to Paul his only reasonable reaction should have been “well played, Josh.”

    • And the hilarious thing is the back stabber was bitter that he got back stabbed by Josh doing this. Pot calling kettle black?

      • Yep. How satisfying was it to watch Paul squirm when they showed those exit videos? Probably the best moment all season.

      • Paul’s reaction as he realizes he was going to lose is fantastic also. Right after the 8th vote, knowing the only vote left was Cody’s. Priceless.

    • Watching Paul squirm when they showed those videos was absolutely priceless. Almost worth all the time wasted watching this stupid show.

    • Pretty much. If during the Jury questions he just came out and said…”alright…you guys know who are the strongest in the house so I have to do everything to keep the strong out first and keep everyone I can beat last” that was my game. He probably could’ve swing some votes.

    • I thinks it funny that Paul called Josh’s messages cowardly. The way he acted by not owning his game and acting like he was also backstabbed was even more cowardly, but I doubt he will ever get that. Paul seems to think he can do whatever he wants to try and win and that is okay, but Josh should not be able to. That is why I am not a Paul fan.

  5. Alex was just as sneaky as Paul. She just didn’t like the taste of the medicine she dished out. She is a sore loser and extremely bitter.

      • She’s not as bitter as Paul. She gave him tit for tat so to speak and that was her right. Her speech was priceless “you said we’ll be friends no matter what, so let’s see if that’s true”

    • Loved when Paul said he wasn’t going to sacrifice his game so Alex could advance hers – which is exactly what she expected. O and Kevin told her she couldn’t beat a shoe in the end.

    • I like Alex, but I completely agree with you. It was alright as long as she thought she was winning. I will say, though, despite what I posted earlier about Paul deserving the win, a bitter jury is something to consider when you make your moves. It doesn’t make the jury right, but it is how things play out in real life when you do what Paul did.

  6. Jury management is an important part of the game. By not owning up to his actions, and trying to maintain that bullshit “friendship” he alienated the jurors. He played a good game to get to the end but didn’t position himself for the win.

    Josh on the other hand managed the jury with his Goodbye messages. The look on Paul’s face when they played those was priceless.

    • When Josh was answering a question to explain his strategy to the Jurors about using his goodbye messages to them, Paul had the audacity to call Josh a coward (during Josh’s floor time)! I’m glad Josh let it roll off his back – and in the next scene, the boys were holding hands again. And, I believe when Julie announced the winner, I think Paul mumbled: Not again. Anyone catch that?

    • Lol… Yes it was, after all of the back stabbing he did, he had the nerve to be pissed-off at Josh. HILARIOUS!!!

    • I agree that he alienated the jurors by not owning up. But I am not sure whether that would have changed things. He was pretty straightforward last year and lost. Of course he did not play as good of a game last year. And part of the reason he did not win last year was because Natalie wanted a girl to win and Devonne voted for Nicole (likely because she was a vet and a girl- things Paul was not).
      Unfortunately there is no way to know whether Paul would have won the game had he been straight with people in his goodbye messages. But I don’t think he would have lost any of the votes he already had and probably would have picked up 1 or 2 votes.

    • Agree but with a twist. Paul literally had two chances to win that game. In his messages, he could have owned up to it and admitted his game play. At the finale, he was given three chances to explain the three unforgivable parts of his game: the lying, the egging on of cast members to bully the others and using personal friendship to cover himself. Each time he denied that he did that and as he did Alex shook her head, Mark shook his head and Cody just smirked. These are all telltale signs of anger and disgust. If he had owned up and just said yeah I lied and threw them all in their as bullying he might have won, but his own self-denial cost him. The cast only started laughing when they did the I trust Paul montage, but during the I am the puppet master section, there was no laughing. No one ever appreciates getting played for a fool (except maybe Raven). Karma showed up last night that’s for sure. In our house, we call it “getting Hantzed” in honor of Russell Hantz’s run on Survivor. I loved when Elena’s vote was read, Paul clearly mouthed “F—. Not again. No, not again.” One of the best finale’s ever.

  7. “Cody had mentioned he didn’t want to see a Vet win, but he also told Jessica he would vote for Paul if he got to the end.”

    Exactly!! He did NOT stay “true to his word” as he said when he put his key in.🤔

    Disgusting houseguests from the start and they finished bitter and ridiculous too.😖(👎👅Alex👈)

    Some maturity next year Big Brother please?👍

    • Paul shouldn’t have even been in a seat, Josh should have taken Christmas. So Josh won fair and square and Paul should have been 3rd!

    • Cody did not stay true to his word. Neither did Paul. I realized after that it was probably deliberate on Cody’s part. So if it’s game play when Paul does it, then looks to me like he got played.

      • “true to his word?”….are you kidding ??? He never ” gave his word” to Paul or anyone else for that matter that he would vote for Paul to win…yes, he did have a conversation with Jessica about that possibility but NEVER committed to that…. I understand, though, that he did later have a pact in the jury house to give it to “anyone BUT Paul”…..He owed Paul NOTHING !!!

      • Ah, I don’t know, I was just trying to figure out why he said that. What he said didn’t make sense to me.

    • I believe that was a statement to the jury, that he was sticking with the plan of not voting for Paul. If you get the chance to rewatch it, notice that he is looking back at the jury when he says it. I was thinking at the time that he was telling the jury, “Let’s do this.” Meaning, vote against Paul. Again just my thoughts as I was watching this unfold.

    • Actually he was true to his word with the other jurors in the jury house, where the anyone but Paul group emerged as notes were compared, even though he had told Jess, in an earlier exchange, that he would give it to Paul if he made it to the end. As much as Cody personally disliked Josh, I think, in the end, he found Josh more honest and respected that enough to deny Paul the win…..That moment when his key was pulled was the perfect karma in action for Paul….it was so SWEET !😁👍🙌

  8. people may not have liked Paul, but he DID play a good game. And it IS a GAME. People tend to forget that. Cody and Alex voted out of spite and bitterness, and I lost all respect for them both. Cody is an arrogant, hot head POS …… I didn’t see that him OR Jessica played a good game. They didn’t play on strategy… they played on emotions. Paul played on strategy People tend to forget that this is a GAME not a popularity contest and Cody and Alex voted because they got their feeling hurt!!!!..

    • This particular game has a jury. Managing the jury is just as important as managing the house.

      If it doesn’t matter HOW you play the game then there shouldn’t be a jury.

      • Agreed. Paul’s two games of BB should be a case study for future participants on how jury management is important in these games of Big Brother. Paul controlled things (and had help depending on how one saw things) from wire to wire in this season and still lost because he didn’t manage the jury well and got into a “better you lose even if you deserved to win” situation.

      • America loved Cody because he was a Rebel. He is the only one to take on Paul. He lost that battle due to Big Brother wanting Paul to win, but at least he tried. Cody also left the house without being a hypocrite hugging all those people that treated him like crap. And the cherry was Cody being the one to take Paul down at the end and then turn around and become America’s favorite. Last night was legendary and couldn’t have gone better.

    • Did you not listen to Alex’s backyard interview? She said she would of voted for Paul if he would of owned it. She also said if he would of just played her she would of understood but then he had to make fun of her behind her back. She understood game moves but he crossed the line with personal moves.

      • At least she admitted she was bitter. She had a point when she said yes he played a good game but it doesn’t mean I have to like the way he played it. I was shocked when she said she was going to be with Mark. I heard Ika from BBCan was coming to interview the houseguests. Do you know if we can see that anywhere?

      • I was more interrested in what she said about Mark. She really impressed me by her explanation of what she went thru in the house and at jury. She really had a really good grasp of the situation. Her explanatio were very clear and logical. I think Mark and her have a good chance of making it. Dr. Will was impressed too.

        Yea, I read about Ika. She is working for GlobalTV. So it will surely just be shown in Canada. But I’ll look for it and see if I can grab it.

      • Actually she showed a complete different side of her personality when she was talking with Will. Apart from her make-up that wasn’t right for TV, she showed a much more pleasant side of her.

      • I did not see Elena’s interview but I was totally shocked at how bitter she was. She had probably the least reason to be bitter. She did not get backstabbed. She knew she was going.

    • Based on what you just said, you validated Josh’s win. Because Paul’s emotional game play — manipulation and hiding behind other players was exactly the same as others judging him for his lack of ethics. It’s a bit like the lack of ethics in the presidential race and the anger about it after. It’s not bitter. It’s disgust, a normal human reaction to gutless behavior. And that emotional reaction was also part of the game and why Josh won. The truth is, the human spirit is generally turned off by excessive unethical behavior and that would be part of the psychology of this game…managing the amount of dirty work you do to win and the effect it has on the jury.

    • Cody was the only real player this season. He realized the potential of Paul from the beginning and tried to backdoor Paul. When that failed he tried to backdoor Christmas. At that point Paul got all his minions together and bullied them into bullying Cody and Jessica. Because Paul and Christmas made it to F3… I would think Cody made the absolute best play that only CBS could destroy.

      • Typically true, but this was not a typical season. The people in the house wanted a Summer vacation and not play a game.

      • The game isn’t scripted. Anything can happen. To get AFP shows greatly that Cody is respected by many!!!!

      • Do you think that it was respect or another case of bitterness/spite from the viewers who voted against the rest of the house for their tactics towards Cody?

      • Sorry John but I have to disagree with You there. I forget where I read it but there have been people who have complained to whatever governing agency runs these shows. They got back an answer that told them that “BB isn’t a game show” and “In fact, it is very similar to a WW (wrestling) staged performance” . Remember it’s TV. Simply Entertainment. Even the so called ‘Reality’ shows are questionable.

      • You’re only half correct. Cody was the only one that saw what Paul was up to, but Cody and Jessica were not innocent victims. Cody bullied and despised everyone in the house from the very beginning and Jessica cheered him on. People seem to forget that she referred to Alex as “Pow Pow,” which WAS racist, it was just creatively racist of her to pin a former BB Asian player’s name on the new Asian player. The house turned against them for their overly aggressive and bullying moves int he beginning, so it was completely deserved. And, despite Paul’s backstabbing, he did develop relationships with others in the house and became friends with many, even if they don’t want it after they found out how he played them. Cody hates and despises everyone, still (except Jessica who strokes his ego). Cody was the most despicable player in the house. We’ll see how everyone feels about him if they watch his comments.

      • America saw all his comments and gave him AFP. As far as Jessica and the “Pow Pow” incident she misheard something and went with it, it was her bad but not as bad as you saying. The house turned against them when Paul told them to. Not role models by any sense but respect for what they had to go through.

      • I f I recall Cody was all for Alex, he stated he would never of voted her out. It was Alex that turned on Cody and teamed up with Paul, her first downfall

      • Cody did not play the game, except about 1 week. There were so many things he could have done. He could have blow up Paul’s game. Cody knew what was going on. But he didn’t. When he was a target, he took his toys and went home (or to bed). Every camera appearance was spent telling us how much he hates everyone and the game.

      • Cody was not a good player strategically or socially. He probably did get a little screwed by having to nominate so many people to begin with, but he blindsided his allies and they turned on him because of it. Jessica and Cody made bad decisions at every turn.

      • The voting order was whoever was eviction order, so whoever was evicted 1st voted first but they were the last one to have their vote announced.

    • Some of what you say is right, but the popularity was in the America’s Favorite Houseguest which Cody won. I think you are in the minority of those that didn’t think Cody played a good game. I think what impressed America about Cody was the fact that he was the ONLY one to take a shot at Paul.

      • I agree what people liked about Cody was that he was the only one who took a shot at Paul. He was against Paul and since a lot of America started to dislike Paul, Cody became the one people liked. But to say that Cody played a good game is a far stretch. He made bad decision after bad decision. His social game was horrible. Well it was good with Jess but that is about it.

    • You see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear…..how limited and short-sighted.

  9. I could have cared less who won and I pretty much thought Josh threw away the win by taking Paul to the end. When Paul started lying to the jury and couldn’t even own his game I was completely disgusted. His jury management was horrible and that is part of the game!!!!!! If he put them all there then he should have been more strategic. After Paul didn’t own his game I was more than elated to see Josh with the win! Paul is #pissed and now a two time loser. He needs to go away!

    • I have never seen so many people happy to see someone lose BB! We had a huge viewing party last night and 90% of them exploded with elation when Paul lost.

      • Wow! I never thought about celebrating over who lost! Well, your viewing party was probably expressing what the general viewing public was also feeling/thinking! Will Kirby told Josh the whole Media Room went crazy & applauded when Josh was announced the winner.

    • Yeah, taking Paul should have been a losing move for Josh. Paul totally bombed with the jury by continuing to lie. I’m sure he could have swayed at least 1 vote by just owning what happened instead of continuing to lie. From my perspective, if I’m in that situation I’ll respect the game move, but if I’m out of the house, know what happened and you’re continuing to lie to my face and asking me to give you half a million. Thanks, but no thanks.

    • I totally agree, Paul needs to go away. When the jury sees how he talked about tem in the dr room, he better go away and hide. I think of Paul as a spineless thing..Especially when he would set up people to vote certain ones out and he would vote opposite, it just killed me…way to many idiots in this group.

  10. Yes, Cody is a crybaby, Jessica is going to find that out real fast, and when Cody said he stayed true to his word, LIE, he said if Paul made it to the end he would vote for him and he better thank Jessica for that AFP because he sure as hell wasn’t!!!!! I can’t wait for Elena, Alex, and Cody to read and find out how much they were HATED!

      • She seems like she can take care of herself and I really don’t think she’ll take much crap from that crazy weirdo!!

    • seeing as how Cody won fan favorite and if you read the BB boards Paul is considered the dirtiest player ever to play BB then maybe you need to reevaluate your opinions.. I loved seeing Codys vote end Pauls reign of terror. Like others have said previously if Paul had owned up to his dirty game play in the q @ a part of the finale he probably would have won but he stayed the arrogant ass to the end..

      • IKR. Paul was behind most of the drama and fights this season and yet he totally tried to downplay his role in everything. Had he owned it and shown some remorse…he might have been able to turn around a juror or two, but he didn’t. As you said, he lied in the final Q&A…and that’s when I started thinking OMG he may actually lose this…again.

    • Cody was Awesome!!!! Only player who didn’t drink the Paul Koolaid! By the way Anita where were you able to find some of that Paul Koolaid to drink?

    • Cody would not have won AFP if he was hated to the degree you are implying… he had balls, I liked him much!

  11. If Paul would have been honest in his DR goodbye messages like Josh was, he might have won. Josh was honest and told the truth. He was not a coward like Paul. Paul continued to lie about everything. He wanted Josh to get all the blood on his hands for jury evictions and Josh knew that. Paul’s plan totally backfired on him. Josh was not the coward!

    • Paul was so consumed with his “no blood on my hands” strategy that he lost focus of how his actions might affect votes.

      • It was overkill on his part as well. He should have left well enough alone rather than orchestrate everyone’s evictions and game play. Let them play and mess up. Paul didn’t need to tell them to throw comps. They would have graciously asked him if they should rather than be told to do that. Oh, what am I saying. These nitwits would not have been able to outwit Paul no matter what was told to them!

    • I agree. it made me sick when Paul said it was cowardly for Josh to do that. Paul lied in his messages and it cost him. Yay!

    • Real life- tell the truth, in a GAME, oh hell noooooooooooo! They needed to put their big panties on and suck it up but they all wimped out! And to that I say Goodnight Gracie.

      • Hi Bob, don’t know if any of them even wear panties,but, glad you are happy Cody won AFP, still think J. was behind it. Where Paul lost it for me was when he called Josh a coward! That was one hell of a smart move on his part and that is what won him the game! Hope to hear from ya next year! Take care friend…..

  12. I just don’t get these people. You go in to win a game that promotes, lying, cheating or what ever is takes to last and they get voted out because they all thought Paul would protect them and when he does not, they are pissed like a bunch of spoiled brats. I just hate mob mentality and this what we got. I have watched every season including the infamous almost never heard of 1st season. Paul played the best game. He just didn’t count on bitter brats.

    • They arte not just pissed though, Paul did not play one important aspect of the game and that is jury management, he lost that and lost the game because he never owned up to it in his answers last night. Those answers would have been the difference…

    • This game is NOT just about lying, cheating and etc. Jury management is just as important. Put yourself in a juror’s shoes. Would you not experience the emotions that they went through and feel angry after being bullied in the house and being lied to in a goodbye message?
      Jurors reserve the right to vote with their emotions, and Paul’s gameplay of bullying tactics and goodbye message lies contributed to the fact that these jurors are going to be bitter
      Again: jury management is IMPORTANT

      • You are probably right, point well taken. It is just as long as they felt safe, they all joined in Pauls plan, albeit with eyes closed. Mark and Elena suspected but did nothing. Cody and Jessica knew but made some bad moves. Josh played into everything Paul wanted him to do even though he knew he was being used. The others just followed so they would be safe. They would gang up on a houseguest week by week. Did Paul orchestrate this, probably. Are they less at fault because they got played, I don’t think so. I watch many reality competition shows. This happens to some degree on all of the shows. Maybe this show should be more like Amazing Race. If you win, you win. Not depending on a bunch of people who did not win to vote for or against you. Then it would not be the controversial Big Brother that we all watch and discuss trying to figure out what the heck happened. Lighten up everyone, life goes on.

    • Paul incited the mob the instance Cody tried to put him on the block. CBS gave Paul 3 weeks of safety making sure the mob leader could do his damage.

      • Excellent point. Paul couldn’t win on attempt #2 with the full backing of the network. Perfect game? Kidding himself.

    • What Paul didn’t count on is Josh gaming him with his DR confessions to evicted house guest. I think that is the biggest piece to getting jurors on his side, especially when Paul continued to lie about it. I don’t know why Paul called Josh a coward after finding out. I think it’s because he’s pissed because it undermined Paul’s game and everyone could see what really happened. Joshed gamed Paul, and his ‘friendship’ came back to hurt him in this game.

      • I honestly don’t think that Josh, intended his messages to work that way. He’s just not that smart. I think he wanted to tell them, they got played and he was a part of it. Hell, half of his goodbye messages, he said JUST that.

        That’s it. Not some masterful plan at jury management.

    • This is what it says on CBS’s Big Brother About Page…
      About Big Brother
      BIG BROTHER follows a group of people living together in a house outfitted with dozens of high-definition cameras and microphones recording their every move, 24 hours a day. Each week, the Houseguests will vote someone out of the house. At the end, the last remaining Houseguest will receive the grand prize of $500,000.

      NOWHERE in there do I see anything about lying and cheating. You don’t have to be mean or nasty to win. You just have to be strategic. At some point you may have to withhold the truth but lying about people personally and inciting people to get in other people’s faces is not in the About Big Brother.
      Interesting how you see the jury as a mob mentality but not what Paul incited throughout the game as mob mentality and interesting that you see the jury as bitter brats but don’t acknowledge Paul’s comment about Josh being cowardly and Paul’s continuous lying as him being bitter and bratty.

  13. Bitter, Butt Sore Losers ! Paul is the BEST player that BB has ever seen ! BB needs to try and pick more mature players next season, most acted like childish babies that didn’t get their way !

    • I agree no one liked him coming back in except 2 ppl!
      I did nit like any house guests this season except paul

    • Thats like saying Russell Hantz was the best survivor player ever lol, get a grip if Paul was so good he would have won…. but hey blame it on the jury lol.

      • Paul would not even be in the front row of best BB players. You’d see Will, Dan, Derrick, Janelle, even Rachel. None of them hid behind the other players.

    • Or Paul was the baby all season overplaying every aspect to make sure everything went his way. What poor social skills to realize a little sympathy can go a long way.

    • Pump the brakes… best player ever? If he was maybe he’d have managed the jury better and won. Dr. Will, Dan and others might have something to say about that too.

  14. For people complaining about a bitter jury: Yes, I agree that this jury is very bitter. But each and every one of us has to remember that the jury does not have to look at things the way we look at things. We have to remember that we do not go thru the same emotions they go thru.
    With that being said, there’s a reason why jury management is important. This game is designed that even if someone who reaches f2 has had all the power all season long, they are still vulnerable before the jury, who has all the power in f2. That’s just how the game goes, and no one can change a single thing about it. You have to accept this characteristic of the game and work your game around, rather than against, this characteristic of the game. Paul kind of tried, and failed miserably, that’s why he deserves to lose.
    There are bitter juries, but the jury is always right

    • Yes, yes, YES!!! Thank you for this. I couldn’t agree more, Brys. The other thing we all have to remember in regards to the jury’s feelings is the ones of disrespect & embarrassment. I think they felt like Paul’s not owning his game EVEN AFTER JOSH’S GOODBYE MESSAGES WERE PLAYED was disrespectful to them! Don’t know about you, but that would certainly piss me off. Additionally, after he kept using his “Friendship” platform & making them all feel like they were his besties, it’s especially rude to not just say, “Yep. I did it all. I played each & every one of you with the goal of winning $500k and here I sit.” Pretty sure had he said even that much, Alex AND Jason would have voted for him & we have a different outcome. With respect to embarrassment, wouldn’t everyone feel embarrassed to have been so fooled by one person? Paul made them look like the fools they are, but seeing that play out on National TV has GOT to be embarrassing. Had he soothed that embarrassment in his Goodbye messages instead of rubbing salt in the wounds by being disingenuous, again, maybe we have a different outcome. Biggest counterpoint to Paul’s awful Jury Management in recent years is Derrick – he manipulated & played EVERYONE, but he never disrespected them or insulted their intelligence. Hence, not a bitter jury & he wins.
      In regards to Jury Management, it’s a HUGE part of BB & always has been! The game is billed as a “social experiment,” for Pete’s sake! What’s really sad is that even after failing miserably at JM last year, Paul didn’t learn a blessed thing! HGs don’t only have to maintain relationships while others are IN the house, but also when they’ve orchestrated their being voted OUT of it if they want to win.

  15. In a situation like this, you want “all the blood on my hands.” Man to man I’d rather be told “I played you” instead of “well you know, I wasn’t directly involved in it, I may or may not have been.” Own up to it. Own up to being a mastermind and being behind every single eviction without going on the block. Paul didn’t do that. Yeah he lost more than Josh won, but Josh doesn’t care, he just won half a million. He picked Paul BECAUSE he thought the jury was bitter, that in itself took balls. I would have taken Christmas, Josh probably would have won 6-3 or something like that but he couldn’t take the chance on her getting sympathy votes.

    • IF u watched R 3 Paul knew those answers but kept looking at josh think he let him win for reason just like giving Christmas HOH cuz he didn’t want to evict anyone so know it cost him! Pretty sad to me cuz I liked him last season!
      Josh is too faced and big baby

  16. I don’t understand anyone who says Paul should have won over Josh. Jury management is a big deal, and Paul sucked at it. His ass wasn’t covered unless everyone was kept in isolation. Sure, he was good at manipulating and convincing people he was telling the truth, but it was all a house of cards. Very flimsy.

  17. Bitter jury? Yes and so what. Deserved to win it? Deserves got nothing to do with it. The HG’s have to play, plan and work on their own and with others to avoid being evicted until they make the final two and they need to do so in such a way that the majority of those sitting on the jury want to vote for you to win the game. Paul did the first task far better than anyone else playing this season but he obviously failed in the second. I’m OK with the jury voting for the person they wanted to win and I think in this case it definitely came down to who they felt was the lesser of two evils.

  18. “I mean, I think Paul and Josh are both scum,” Cody Nickson offered. “But at least Josh took action, while Paul was behind a closed door being a wuss.”
    True, Paul preferred others to do his dirty work, and underestimated that everyone would eventually find out about it. While contestants may not have realized what was happening in the house, they certainly put two and two together in the jury. Sure, they were already eliminated, but they took some sweet revenge by making sure Paul didn’t get the money in the end.

    • I agree with Cody. Both Josh and Paul are scum basically but Josh atleast owned all his actions and behaviors and was honest about his moves and choices, and what went down. Paul wasnt honest. That was the difference. The jury voted correctly.

    • Paul was behind closed. It’s cause he knows how to play big brother and the others do not

      • But still he was busted. His cards of lies fall apart. He forgot that jury talks. He lies even not needed

      • lol Paul is 0-2 in BB standings.. Paul doesnt know how close, that is the most important part of the game, just ask Russell Hantz about it.

  19. Even Jessica would have voted for Paul! Why? Because she is a fan and a fan of game play. These losers felt stupid they lost and voted that way. I like Josh but Paul played the game.

  20. Both Josh and Paul are scum basically but Josh atleast owned all his actions and behaviors and was honest about his moves and choices, and what went down. Paul wasnt honest. That was the difference. The jury voted correctly.

    • He’s horrible. Jessica did all the work for him to get that. I just don’t see a girl like her being with him for too long.

    • Cody was wicked because he tried to make the biggest move of the season by back dooring Paul? And when CBS saved Paul, Cody was wicked because he wouldn’t succumb to being Paul’s minion? Maybe he was wicked because he had to defend himself against all the bullies in the house? I do agree what a crappy season!

  21. Yeah Paul fans can’t seem to grasp the fact that jury management is an extremely important part of the game. It’s entirely possible to control the entire house and season and have the jury respect you and your game. Paul failed at it miserably. Again.

  22. Bitter jurors vote. Factor that in your game

    Hey Paul – You have to screw people in a way they can live with, not screw them the way you want to and demand that they respect it. Watch Derrik’s season.

  23. I have to agree what snuck if sorry losers, Paul played the better game and just because he knows what he’s doing so he lost just because of Cody , Alex and Jason .
    But I bet if they were in the final three they would evict Paul!
    Josh did not play the better game!
    Alex is sorry looser shame on her fir nit picking the right person ,

  24. A big part of Paul’s strategy was to go to F2 with Josh ……and he did
    Another big part of Paul’s strategy was not to get blood on his hands … and he did everything he could to appear innocent in evictions
    Paul prided himself on reading the hg’s and being the Puppet Master … and he was until he wasn’t
    Unfortunately for Paul, he overplayed this season and didn’t know when to stop.
    Paul got a little too full of himself and his ego made him belief he could get away with anything.
    In the end, Paul could have won if he had put a check on his ego and been honest in his GB messages and in the final.
    Paul lost himself the $500k

    • Good morning sis! ;) Well, that was one hell of a finale! I agree completely. Paul’s mismanagement of the jury and his own ego caused him to believe his own BS instead of coming clean, owning his game and showing some remorse for how he treated some of his fellow HG this season. Had he done any or (better yet) all of those things, I think he would have won.

      • Yup, he can blame himself. At least we had Josh and Paul in the final so we don’t have to listen to the “Well Paul would have beat Josh, if Josh hadn’t been afraid to take him to F2” posts. Good for Josh for having the balls to take Paul to F2 (mind you I thought he was crazy to do so)

      • OMFG! I thought you big meatball, WTF are you thinking??!! LOL! I guess he knew what he was doing after all. His exit messages were a brilliant strategy too. He knew Paul would lie in his goodbye messages, so he set it straight in his. It was a really smart game move. Like everyone else, I underestimated Josh’s understanding of how BB works.

    • Paul could have used that to his advantage. His final speech was quite weak. Especially after he had been practicing it all week.

      • That final speech sounded like he was reading off paper. A litany of wins/losses at a time when the jury was begging for a little heart. Bad move.

      • Yes, I could not believe how bad he was in the final speech & the Q&A portion. He couldn’t seem to pivot and recognize the jury was on to him & it was time to come clean and own the game he played. I truly think that is what did him in. Had he shown some remorse & admitted to his personal attack & isolation strategy this season, I think he could have turned around a vote or two.

    • All absolutely true. And he might even still have won if Josh hadn’t identified Paul’s game and turned up his own.

    • I agree 100%. I think if he’d have owned his moves and let them know he wants to be Mr. Friendship, but he was there to win and that’s why he made those moves, they might have respected that. But the lies right up to the point that they were putting their keys in sealed his fate.

  25. Very simple – the vote was 4 – 4 when it go to Cody. If Paul had been so vindictive to Cody and turned the house against him – Cody might have given him the vote. Cody didn’t like Josh at all and think much of his game play. Agreed Paul should have owned it in his final speech he was still playing it like he went along with what others wanted which wasn’t true.

    • Any one of the votes was a pivotal vote. The order in which they were read doesn’t make Cody’s more important. Any of the 5 who voted Josh.

      • Right, they know what the votes are and then read them off in an order that will be dramatic. They intentionally read Cody’s off last

      • Of course it did. BB is big on the drama (LOL) we know this. Having Cody’s vote be last created that same Cody vs Paul mentality that production started in the beginning of the season. ;)

      • More dramatic in the reading. But his vote did not count more than any other vote. He did not, in reality, break the tie. Just in the reading.

      • Oh I agree that one vote didn’t give Josh the win or Paul the loss. I was strictly talking about ‘breaking the tie’ in the vote count as they showed it on tv

      • Didn’t they read them in order of last in jury to first? That’s what they have always done, right?

        Housewifey is right though. Cody’s vote was no more pivotal than any of the others. The one that shocked me was Alex. As a self proclaimed “gamer” she should have respected the “game” and not let her personal bitterness for being played cloud her vote for the person who played the game to the end.

      • Your opinion. Her beef with Paul was that he never owned up to what he did. That is poor jury management and part of the decision as to who wins.

      • I thought for sure Cody was voting Paul. I was jumped up and screamed when they read it out that he voted for Josh. I was so happy…

      • I wasn’t at all surprised at Alex’s vote. She can be easily set loose to attack, just like Paul did when he made stuff up & lied in order to set her on Kevin…well, when people in jury told her Paul was making fun of her behind her back, that was all it took for her to set her nasty sights on Paul and vote nasty, much like how she treated Kevin throughout one third of the season.

    • Exactly! And if they’re supposed to vote based on strategy, how were they bitter when Paul apologized and said he had nothing to do with their evictions? He didn’t explain his strategy, and based on that, did he expect them to think Josh was the mastermind behind their evictions? Maybe they weren’t bitter after all, and voted based on strategy which Josh explained to them. I know they pretty much admitted they were bitter, but what was Paul thinking?

      • I think Paul actually started to believe his own lies there b/c even after the cat was out of the bag, he continued to lie!! I was shocked at how badly he did in his Q&A responses. Whereas Josh owned his game moves and apologized for some of his strategies, Paul did none of that and that is what I believe cost him the win.

  26. Paul lost because he severely miscalculated how the jury would vote. If he had owned his game, admitted his strategy of personal attacks was just that, a strategy and showed some remorse to the jury in his final speech, he probably would have won. Instead, he admitted nothing and blamed the “house” for his game moves, he continued to lie to the jury even in the jury Q&A portion of the finale & showed no remorse for any of the personal attacks that he instigated all season. In fact, while Josh was making his final speech, Paul was sitting there making faces…that showed me (and the jury I’m sure) exactly how little respect he had for anyone else’s game but his own; bad move when those HG are about to vote on whether or not they should award you a half million dollars. I don’t understand how Paul did not realize you cannot instigate a series of personal attacks over & over on the other HG and then not expect those HG to vote personally. That is extremely poor jury management and, like it or not, jury management is a huge part of the game of BB.

      • TY m’ dear! ;) Did you see him sitting there making faces while Josh was making his speech? smh If he’d just shown one ounce of remorse and owned his game instead of blaming the house, I think he could have turned around at least one of those votes.

      • He never had respect for Josh. Wanted to take him to F2 cos he figured he could beat him easily, was often condescending to him and showed both during Josh’s time to speak in the final. So, it was so satisfying that it was Josh who beat him

      • You are absolutely correct. He was never Josh friend. Ever! He was just a person who can be beat. A lot of Paul play was who he is as a person.

        Paul was just as salty as the Jury 😄

      • Will asked Josh about the slap Paul gave Josh… Did you see it? Will was like I would have lost it if someone did that to me, but Josh doesn’t seem to remember it. That surprised me a bit.

      • I saw it. I was somewhat disappointed with Will last night. That crap about the showmances got old very fast. He said that that was CBS’ question, but he should have just stopped asking it. And of course, Jess had to butt in to Cody’s interview. I did enjoy his interviews with Ramses and Cameron. And especially when he told Josh how the media room erupted when he won.

      • Yeah, he took it easy on all of them, but I don’t think he was given much leeway in what he could and could not ask. I would have liked to have seen Will the BB player asking the questions rather than Will the CBS mouthpiece, wouldn’t you?

      • There were some good moments but yeah, his hands were tied. Elena came off better than I would have thought in her interview.

      • Hi facial expressions showed it all last night, he really did look down on Josh and thought he had it in the bag with him.

      • Yep. Plus, Paul’s denial of any responsibility for people’s evictions also allowed Josh to pounce on that and use it in his own speech to pad his BB resume. Paul definitely underestimated Josh.

    • Right on!…and he was upset with Josh, for coming clean. I wouldn’t be surprise if he blames Josh for his lost. Will they remain friends? Josh mention to Dr. Will, that Paul was angry. Did anyone hear him say that? O well…Paul, you played yourself.

      • I didn’t like how he called Josh’s goodbye messages cowardly. And yet, him (Paul) allowing others to do his dirty work is strategy?? smh Paul’s ego & lack of empathy for people is what makes him, time and time again, fail to understand how people will react to his actions. For all his social skills, Paul really has no clue how to accept responsibility for himself or his game.

      • Yep! It was also interesting when Will talked about how Paul slapped Josh on the face. If that were a different situation he would have gotten called out by production.

    • Absolutely!! The moment I saw Paul lying in his goodbye msgs I thought stupid move. The jury had nothing to loose and would compare votes. His attempt to keep them from sharing notes was silly. Also, he should have boasted how good he was to get their respect. He then continued doing the lie song and dance on finale night. I loved how the bullying question brought up by Ellena was asked. And he denied it when it was glaring to everyone.

      To make matters worst..when it was revealed that Josh was honest about his F3 in the goodbye msgs, Paul instead ridiculed Josh for throwing him under the bus when Josh did not. He only revealed the evicted person was a target by all them F3. Against Paul passing blame so as to not be at fault.

      Anyway Paul will see what we saw.

      As for Cody AFP…when he gets home he would appreciate why ppl vote.even tho he is void of personality, I too would vote for him. It will be interesting to see how he responds to a Jess lifestyle. I wish them the best and hope they just allow each person to be themselves and they will be happy.

  27. Paul didn’t learn a damn thing from losing last season and the outcome was exactly the same this time around.

  28. I was rooting for Paul all last season…and this season…UNTIL…he continually rounded up all his attack dogs to bully his targets. The most amazing part of his game, I think, was having his minions not talk to each other. He systematically booted out the good competitors, Cody/Jessica/Alex/Jason, and the weaklings….Xmas/Josh/Kevin, he made the house hate all with his lies. No tears for Paul…he did win $100 grand these past 2 seasons. Seeing him get to within a hair of 1/2 million, then lose…made the entire season for me. Josh’s best move was alerting the jury in his exit speeches about the Josh/Xmas/Paul alliance. And before the attacks begin with “it’s the game”….You can play and win like a gentleman…as did Dr. Will & Derrick.

  29. Paul dominated the whole game, however the game is not done once a house guest is sent home. Inside the house Paul did all that he could, but failed when it came to Jury. You can’t blame a bitter jury on Paul losing. Josh made a game changing move with his DR messages. Did Josh play a better game? Definitely not inside the house, but the move he made with jury definitely sky rocketed his game. He admitted and got his hands dirty. Paul denied it all and lost him the game.

  30. I agree that Paul made the jury bitter against him. NOOOO Paul should not be aloud to play again!!! Just newbies!! No returning players!!! They had their chance!

  31. Paul thought he had it won! He was pissed when they called Josh’s name. Yes bitter jury but they should have been just as mad at themselves for not playing the game. I love it that Cody’s vote was the last revealed

    • I love that Cody’s vote was last and that he won AFH. I feel like his AFH win was America saying that bullying is not OK. Yes, Josh did a lot of bullying, but there was only him and lying, bullying, Paul to choose from. At least Josh has a soul.

  32. Call it like it is, Josh’s decision to tell game moves on goodbye messages was flat out EPIC. The house couldn’t catch him giving away trade secrets and blaming it all on Paul, well Paul did come up with all of those game moves. Paul forgot about Jury management in the end. His bullshit friendship, cost him the game. Blind siding people that have your back isn’t advised.

  33. Instead of sitting there and making exaggerated, ridiculous faces, Paul should have admitted what he had done to everyone. Continuing to lie to their faces was insulting to them, and I can understand why they voted for Josh.

  34. For all the viewers who snickered when Josh referred to himself as intelligent: He is the ONLY person who identified Paul’s game. Then turned it around and won. Call it what you like. I call it $500,000

  35. Looking at the finale,.you can see Pauls disappointments in his face when Josh was owning the Jury Questions. He was.worried and.pissed. A display of Bad gameplay by him in front of the jury and the million viewers. Paul the Russel Hantz of BB. Haha

  36. Please no Paul again. He had his shot. Yes, Paul played the game and seemed like the only one playing. I was all for Paul, but it just got to be too much. I hated the way he and Christmas treated Josh. Josh was annoying but he had a heart. Say all you want, but Josh did control the jury votes. Josh was a Paul puppet but with that said, he played his own side game letting the jury in on what really happened. Happy for Josh!!

  37. Watching HGs interviews with Rob Cesternino…Great interviews…nothing phoney .. Real questions..and Paul still lying lmdao…Yall go watch if u can…

  38. I thought Paul would win 5 to 4. I thought he would get Alex’s vote. Alex is his this season’s Davonne. He didn’t learn from last year that you can’t bully nasty all over people and expect them to vote for you to win a half a million dollars.

    I guess he’ll take his $50,000 and “design” more black t-shirts that say “F You”, “F Off” and “F it”, along with some more of his cheesy hats that say “I Never Cared” and his tacky friendship bracelets.

    I hope I never see him on my tv again.

    • My fear is with him losing last night if they ever of an all starts they might just bring him back. It would suck royally…

      • With players that actually had a spine (Like Cody, unlike Raven, Matt, Kevin, Christmas) he wouldn’t make it far. All those people this year were looking for someone to tell them what to do. He won’t ever make it far again.

  39. I think Paul was screwed twice personally. I think he played better against both Nicole and Josh. However, I do think that Josh played a better game than Nicole. Josh revealing strategy in his goodbye messages was key to his win. Either way, I wish Paul just hadn’t come back this season. I hate returnees in newbie seasons.

  40. The jury was indeed bitter, however, that’s Paul’s own fault. He had to get personal with orchestrating mob mentality and he could not stop lying for two seconds. All he had to do was say, yea I played you and I had to get you out. Josh to his credit used the goodbye messages to his advantages and the jury appreciated the fact that at least he was upfront.

    Although I agree that Paul played much better than Josh, his jury management was horrendous. Did he not think the HGs would compare notes and figure out what he was really doing?

    As for the third option, I never want to see Paul play again. So done with him!

  41. Did you see that suck up Raven hanging on to Paul in the end and Xmas hugging on Josh just cause he won, yet she didn’t give him her vote? The only reason Cody was voted AFP was because he was the only one brave enough to put Paul on the block and I think people respected that even though he’s a nut. Just to see the look on Paul’s face when he lost AGAIN was my gift for having to endure this crappy season. Anyway revenge is sweet and I will be back for Celeb BB. Thanks for having me, hope I didn’t piss anyone off. Bye, luvs.

  42. I agree with Elena – you are allowed to be a bitter juror, and it is still a valid way to vote. Part of the game is ensuring you have enough votes at the end to win the whole thing. Even in seasons past, while I may not have liked who won it all, I don’t think it makes them any less of a winner.

    The game is so subjective in and of itself. You are put in a house with 15 other people at random. Every season is so subjective that the only way to possibly make sense of it is simple: do whatever you can to ensure you get 5 votes at the end. Just getting to the final 2 isn’t enough. If Paul underestimated the bitterness of the jury, that’s on him. Or maybe Josh outdid him by understanding just how bitter they all would be.

    The game starts day 1, and part of every houseguest’s should
    not only just be to ensure you have the votes at the end, but that the people who will give you those votes actually make it into the jury house. Someone like Jessica would have voted for Paul, and thus controlled Cody’s vote as well.

    TLDR; Elena raised a great point this year and Josh winning will certainly wake people up to the fact that you have to play to win, not play to make final 2 and hope that that’s enough to win. Making final 2 alone isn’t that impressive of an accomplishment when there’s also another person sitting beside you who did the exact same thing.

  43. Paul DID NOT WIN and WAS NOT ROBBED. Last season Derrick did pretty much what Paul did but he did it in a very nice way and as game play and never made anything personal unlike Paul. Also Derrick owned every move he made in his Good bye messages and apologized and explained it was nothing personal. All Paul did was hide behind his minions all season and blame them for everything. He DID NOT EARN the jury votes. At the end he had a chance to redeem himself when answering their questions and HE STILL DID NOT COME FORTH, PAUL LOST THIS GAME FOR HOMSELF

    • And Derrik demonstrated a great deal more agility and finesse. He often went with the flow of the house, keeping his eye on the prize. He made moves when it was necessary. Paul had to dictate every single move, to his own demise.

      • Derrick was also MUCH more secret about it. With so many pairs in the house, it was blatantly obvious Paul was running the house. He also “overplayed” as some of them put it. I admit even though he should’ve won, he did more than he had to at times.

  44. Let us address hen elepant in the room. What the hell was going on with Raven stupid facial expression on the stage with Paul? That girl needs a psycho eval!

  45. That is Big Brother, you have to manage the bitter jury. Josh’s goodbye messages were the key. He basically owned up to what he did but also put the blood on Paul’s hands. Yes, Paul played a better game in the house but forgot yet again the key element to manage the jury so he lost it again. Note to Big Brother: NO MORE VETS in the game. Please give us a season with all newbies.

    • I thought it was ridiculous how Paul said Josh’s goodbye messages were cowardly. Paul did that sort of thing all season long! He’d have Josh or someone vote someone out and then walk and talk like he was blindsided too! He’s a hypocrite and even more why I’m glad he didn’t win.

      • Yep! Paul is a bigger baby then anyone in that house, and more bitter then anyone in the jury. He could never let something go and was talking about Cody and their “fight” all the way up until the end because he was such a baby.

  46. If Paul “earned” it, he would have won. Josh wasn’t a bad competitor. He won some comps. Was his overall game better than Paul’s, probably not.

    But Paul screwed up the social aspect big time. If he had owned his game and basically said “yes, I want to be your friend. I think you’re an awesome person, but I came here to win and you had to go.” I really, truly think that would have turned at least 1 or 2 votes his way. By playing naive when answering the jury questions and saying he was powerless and had to go along with “the house” he sealed his own fate.

    Josh made a great move by making those goodbye messages. I don’t care what Paul says, it wasn’t cowardly. It was smart. It was no more cowardly than using your allies as shields to take the blood off your hands on eviction night.

    • I really thought once Paul got wind of that he would adjust his speech. He seemed to do so in one question and then would go back to ‘I did what the house wanted’. He is so good at speeches and thinking on his feet, I thought he might be able to turn it around. Seemed to take too long to sink in that he was in big trouble. And that is not like him, must be exhausted.

      • Yeah, I was stunned at how badly he did in the Q&A part. It was like he never even contemplated that people might be on to him by finale… I think he forgot he was not in jury house telling them not to talk to each other. hehe

      • Yeah… he seemed completely caught off guard that Alex even was on to him and not singing his praises to the other jurors.

      • He did that last season too. Davonne said that it was because of his answers the she voted for Nicole. You think he would have taken note of that.

      • Also the Josh goodbye messages were sheer genius on Josh’s part. Paul was UTTERLY blindsided by this revelation. The look on his face when he was informed of this was priceless. His assumption that Josh was totally under his influence cost him $450,000.

    • If Paul comes back (and please lord I hope not) don’t think for a second he won’t start using his Good bye messages at a tool also. He called it cowardly but it was masterful and I gained so much respect the first time I saw that for Josh.

      • Read article above. There is a link saying otherwise. (Not that he didn’t say he would vote for Paul early on, but that changed in jury house)

    • I don’t think Cody cared enough or said enough to influence the jury. I think the accumulation of lies and shared stories stirred that hornets nest.

      • AH… didn’t see that at first. For some reason that didn’t load the first time I came to the page. Kind of surprises me though. I pretty much thought Cody was just sitting around the jury house not wanting to interact with anyone and hating life… You know, kind of how he played the game.

    • Doubtful. But if he did, it’s a game, right? If he had influence after that long out of the house, good on him.

  47. Paul – it’s like this. You’re saying, “All he had left on the board was one little miserable knight. I outplayed him at every turn. I had more pieces on the board. I should have won.” But Paul, his knight got your Queen. That’s the move that wins the game. You’ve got to play it to the end.

  48. Guy’s I really think you’re not giving credit to the Puppet Master herself. I mean Raven just controlled this game the whole way and in the end she wanted Josh to win because she really had all of us fooled thinking she was with Paul but really her goal all along was to let Josh win. Check mate Raven doubters!

  49. As much as I couldn’t stand the gutlessness of Cody and Jessica or actually any of the romantic relationships working in pairs instead of approaching the game as a strong individual, I have to say that Cody’s comments about why he voted for Josh were about the most honest I’ve seen. He said that Josh played the game honestly, up front, taking on people to their face instead of behind their back. He did. And those were risks he took doing that. And I agreed with his comment at the end when he won the $25,000. “It doesn’t make sense.” It didn’t. He was surly and nasty, but at least he was real. That’s more than I can say for Paul. I lost so much respect for Paul in this game.

    • When did Cody make that statement, about Josh playing the game up front? Was it during the broadcast?

      • During the jury panel talking to that guy that entered the house. He explained why he was voting for Josh and why he had such a lack of respect for Paul.

  50. josh won with his goodbye messages. his way of letting houseguests know and for paul to say it was cowardly was really bad coming from him who was the real coward in not owning his game and josh knew he was being used by having to cast the sole vote and doing things that made paul look good and made him and xmas look bad… so saying what he did in his goodbye messages – amazing. I am glad he did that. The coward is really paul who didn’t wanna get blood on his hands. All that to say they all sucked this cast was horrrrribllllleee the worst people ever and they should have say no paul do it yourself… but live and learn I guess. I would hate to meet xmas or alex in a dark alley those girls are mean and ruthless really alex was it necessary to say that you would break xmas other leg really how cruel and unnecessary that girl… dang…and it was so unpleasant watching her roll her eyes and her stupid facial expressions… ..

  51. Josh absolutely deserved the win.

    Now hear me out. Big brother is a game of chess, and Paul played a great game. He knocked out rooks, knights, bishops, and pawns. But he left his queen exposed and Josh saw that. It doesn’t matter how either of them got to the end, they both did. Josh realized Paul’s biggest weakness and worked to solidify that bitter jury. Sure, they would have still been upset if they had gotten to the jury house and learned all of those things about Paul from each other… but to learn them from Josh first in his goodbye messages (the person they thought of as the lowest of the low) was a knife right in the heart. JOSH secured that jury would be bitter toward Paul. To me, that combined with winning the final HOH was his checkmate. It was clear that Paul would have won hands down against Christmas, which means that Josh earned that win.

  52. I can understand the reasons the jury voted against Paul and for Josh and gracefully accept it even though I thought Paul played like a genius…all the way until he ruined it at the Jury Questions time. Plus, it was brilliant of sweet Josh to give his farewell message informational tidbits. He got rewarded for this smart tactic.
    What I AM utterly disgusted with is Cody winning AFP. Why??? He was hateful from start to finish, made every wrong move possible, grumbled and groused all the time and never lifed a finger in any effort to actually be on the show called “Big Brother.” He should never have been chosen to play because “play” he did not!! What gives America?? I just don’t get it!

    • Cody was the only one to try and make a BIG move by trying to backdoor Paul. It was CBS that saved Paul for 3 weeks. Paul then got his minions together to bully and harass Cody. At that point Cody became unglued. If CBS didn’t rig it in the beginning I don’t see Cody winning AFP… but he was the first to get screwed and America realized that and rewarded him in addition to him not joining the minion parade.

  53. I really need a fourth option in the poll. It was Paul’s game to lose and he did just that. Bad jury management,bad choice of people to take with him to the end (Raven, Matt or Kevin ALL would have been better choices) and wilful lack of knowledge about the game led to his downfall.

  54. The only way Paul should play again is if it’s an All Stars and there are other big threats. If he is with a regular cast, they target him right away. Yes, Paul should have won, and I don’t like that jury pact at all.

    • I agree with everything but I don’t want to see Paul again, and I’m a fan. He’s had his time, let’s move on to someone else. If they bring him back next year for an All Star show, it will be 3 summers in a row watching him and it’s just too much, Paul overload.

      • The good news is, if he does come back next year and it is all stars, I highly doubt he’ll last long.

      • Yep, a big difference between playing with a bunch of minions and real BB players. Paul would be out quick, probably wouldn’t even make jury.

      • I like Paul, a good bit. I deplore the entitled belief that his moves won him the game. They did not.

  55. I’m very disappointed Paul didn’t win, he more than earned and deserved it. That said, he didn’t manage the jury well and his mistake was continually lying, still don’t think it should have cost him the game but such is BB, expect the unexpected. I’m much more upset that victim noises won AFP, he DID NOT deserve the honor. One last thing for all who were convinced the season was rigged for Paul, why did he lose, please splain? LOL

    • can’t make people vote the way you want them to, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink…

      • The vote was not rigged but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he had help early on in this game so he can stay long enough to do his thing…

      • Of course it will and I’m not even being serious. I just wanted to see who would fall for it and become unglued. Looks like it worked. LOL I will be watching Survivor with you guys and commenting, yay!! Can’t get rid of me that easily!

    • Paul made more “victim noises” than anyone! He complained all the way to the end that he was at a disadvantage. He continually bashed anyone who called out his game, even long after they left the house. He made that tasteless, classless remark about Josh’s messages being cowardly. And he is so blinded by his own bitterness and conceit that he can’t even see why he lost both times.

  56. Sorry but Josh deserved the win for blowing up Paul’s game … Paul lied to everyone played the puppet master and even admitted it ! So in the end Josh out played Paul. Paul was stupid for thinking he had it in ” the bag ” and was going to win ..

  57. why did alex think that those people were in there to take a bullet for her and sacrifice their game for her?? does she think she is that entitled?

    • I think she honestly still believes she is that good at the game! I hope she watches it and sees that she looked to the viewer like one of the dumbest players in the history of big brother.

  58. Thought Will made a great point during one of the interviews last night when he said that Paul peaked a week too soon while Josh matured at the right time.
    Paul played hard and then figured he had it made once he evicted Kevin.
    Josh, unlike any other player I can remember, grew over the season. He was a mess in the beginning and does have Paul to thank for keeping him in the game. But Josh also was a great observer of his fellow hg’s and would often see things before the others. Often, his observations were ignored but he was spot on. Sure, production probably clued him in on some things but it was the small things that he noticed that impressed me. He won a few comps, the DE Veto win was not given to him and it was done under pressure. His confidence grew in the last weeks. His GB messages outing Paul was a smart game play and he spoke to the jurors in the final not at them. So yes he peaked at the right time. He beat Paul in R3, he took Paul to the final and he beat him there.
    Great to see a superfan who truly enjoyed his time in the house and appreciated the opportunity to be there, win.
    Oh, and he made me laugh many times.

  59. Watching the show, including feeds, I thought Josh and Paul were the best players in the show. The fact that Josh is not getting the credit he deserves is ridiculous. Josh worked as hard if not harder than Paul. Paul played a great manipulative game, but Josh did all of the dirty work which I thinks counts for a lot and deserves the credit. Cody and Jess were trying to get Paul out, but were not good players at all, especially not socially. I wasn’t a fan of either of the F2, but they both made it and it was well deserved.

    • It’s impossible to argue this point! the Jury picks the winner, deserving or not. You nail it here and I am glad they voted Josh.

    • It wouldn’t have mattered what he said….obviously the decision was made before they even listed to him. That’s the problem. What a bunch of self righteous prigs this jury was.

  60. i DIDN’T WATCH IT. I WATCHED MASTERCHEF FINALE INSTEAD!! IT WAS GREAT!!! But I am SOOO glad Paul lost.

  61. People keep saying Paul should have won because he played a better game. Well I hate to tell you he only lost because he didn’t play the better game to the people that decide the outcome. Simple as that.

  62. Love this guy. He is telling Alex how wrong she was about Kevin and blaming her for the stupidity.

  63. Most of the assessments of this don’t seem to take into consideration that jury management is actually one of the core and fundamental parts of the game. They seem to ignore that as if it doesn’t matter, well, it does matter.

    Paul drink his own Kool-Aid which is a recipe for disaster. It is never a good idea to lie in the DR or to lie during jury exit messages. That goes against the spirit of the game.

    But it gets worse. When Paul lied during the Q&A And didn’t drop his BS when it came time to actually explain himself, there’s no way he could sway anybody at that point.

    Puppet master, indeed. The only strings he’ll be pulling are his own. With lotion and a Kleenex.

    He learned nothing about Jerry management after his mistakes from last year.

    He deserves to lose.

    • Besides failing to own his game to the jury, Paul also miscalculated whom to take to F2. Kevin would have been a better bet for him. He did not play a perfect game.

      • Oh yeah, me too. In fact, after the way Paul sicced Alex on Kevin, I thought he *was* taking Kevin to F2 & that was why he was trying to destroy Kevin’s social game. When he didn’t, I was surprised and then angry b/c then I realized well, why on earth did he make stuff up and make Alex hate Kevin? This is an example of the unnecessary personal issues Paul started in the house, it is not a surprise to me that the jury voted personally. Paul is lucky Kevin didn’t vote against him too imo.

  64. i don’t think i completely understand this new rule of “jury management”.
    dan ticked off everyone with his wheeling and dealing and backstabbing, yet everyone acknowledged he had played the best game.
    evil dick earned his name. there wasn’t a single person he didn’t tick off in the jury, but they all acknowledged he played the best game.
    the jury did not need to blindly follow paul. they did not need to throw all of their faith in a single player. the package at the end of the show proved this- each one gave up their personal games. at the same time, look at the people who voted for josh. how well did they play their own games?
    this seems to have more to do with people realizing they were duped, and taking it personally. paul pointed out in his speech he controlled the house from the very beginning, and walked the players through every step. that the jury is, well, bitter he took advantage of them, well… bitter is as bitter does.
    i struggle to accept anyone who suggests josh played a better game. he was an emotional train wreck, his social game consisted of bullying and blowing up people’s games, he hid behind christmas, and when he had the power, or the opportunity to make big moves, he did what he was told, never making his own moves. he complained for two weeks about paul’s spot, but instead of doing anything about it, he cried.
    not a single player this season played as hard as paul. not a single player deserved the win more. don’t hate the player, hate the game.

    • It was a super bitter jury that played personally. They didn’t take themselves out of the equation whereas past juries have been able to distance themselves and make the decision based solely on gameplay. I think we will see this become the trend in the future, unfortunately.

      • That’s your criteria for a vote. They can vote on any criteria they choose. As Dr. Will said, a bitter vote is a valid vote. Gotta factor it in your game.

      • Paul lost the game in the final q&a session, he denied having any responsibility for the jury evictions, lied to their faces right til the end and it cost him. If you take Paul at his word there then he didnt deserve to win, he just followed others…. kind of bit him in the ass didnt it….

      • i do have to agree with how paul mismanaged the q&a. he should have blown up his own game, to point out how much of a mastermind he was, instead of trying to still cut promos which not only didn’t matter, but everyone had already figured out were lies. he HAD to have known the jury would talk.

    • Paul mistook the ultimate goal as making F2. He should have extended his ultimate goal to securing 5 votes.

  65. Paul treated everyone like they were morons. His narcissism got the better of him and he thought they would never figure out what he was doing. Anyone but Paul!
    #BitterJury for the win!

    • They were morons….they listened to him and got booted. They were bitter because he was able to manipulate them. It is a waste of the game if the jury is bitter because they were manipulated. A very wasted season with perhaps the worst jury yet.

  66. Clearly, jury management is one of the most critical aspects of the game and Paul was terrible at that. He played the game brilliantly for almost the entirety of the game, but he just didn’t have what it took to finish. The marathon runner that leads the entire race and then stumbles at the end still loses and doesn’t “deserve” or “earn the win”.

    • here’s the thing- there has been no talk about “jury management” until today. EVERYONE predicted paul was going to win, no one considered this concept of jury management until dr will brought it up last night. all of these comments “well, obviously paul failed at jury management”, to your comment “one of the most critical aspects of the game” was never a thing until today.
      year after year, people have pushed, and fought and manipulated and backstabbed to get to the win. this year, apparently, those rules have changed.
      it used to be that house guests accepted it was a game. if they didn’t,
      they were a “bitter jury”. suddenly, we all woke up this morning being
      told this is not the case, instead, it is about jury management.
      honestly, when a guy named “evil dick” wins big brother, i am pretty sure he wasn’t too concerned about jury management.

      • But Evil Dick did manage the jury, even if they didn’t label it that. He won because they were willing to vote for him. Whatever you want to call it, it has always existed. Backstabbing, backdooring, lying, betraying can exist if the jury can find a way to tolerate it from you. Paul’s brand of evil didn’t sell.

      • Evil Dick, was a evil in everyone`s front, not on their back. Dick did not backstab anyone, he did stab everyone in their front. That is a huge difference.

      • Jury management has always been a thing. Dr. Will did not just create it out of thin air last night. And there have always been bitter jurors. I think the only difference is that this season there was a much higher percentage of bitter jurors compared to every other season. In past years you could always count on at least one or two votes where someone voted personally and didn’t “accept it was a game”. The fact that this year there was supposedly some sort of “jury pact” where the group voted personally is what was most surprising. But considering the extreme lack of game awareness and mob mentality that was so incredibly pervasive and negatively defined this season we really shouldn’t have been that surprised at the outcome.

  67. Perhaps if they do away with the good-bye videos for the evicted ones or edit accordingly, game play strategies will stay in the house until after the show has ended. Good luck to future contestants for a fair win.

  68. It is what it is, I liked Josh for his honesty. I’m glad he win, & who would have thought Cody voting for Josh. That was strange, but whatever. Congrats to Josh. Crazy summer episode.

  69. Has anybody watched Rob’s interviewing the HGs. Raven is changing her Mensa story, but still lying about everything else.

      • I like it better than Will’s, but he didn’t tell Raven about the Exposed party. He did tell her about leaving the house and how her fans are having “parties”.

    • So funny. Rob was giving her so many digs without her knowing it. “What was your favorite flavor of Kool-Aid that Paul made in the house.” She says “Cherry.” hee hee

      • Hilarious. I would have preferred if someone mentions clearly to her what is going on outside. She is very slow.

  70. If someone lies to your face over and over and over again sure they are going to be bitter. I didn’t care for Josh doing most of Paul’s dirty work and bullying but like everyone said anyone but Paul. Josh was smart to tell of the alliances in his goodbye speech.

  71. People have to remember the jury don’t see everything we as viewers see only what they are exposed to while they play the game and what other jury members bring as they enter jury house. Maybe they should have a view into the BB house from jury so they can see the strategy of the remaining players. Good and bad I guess.

    • Every single season except Jordan’s wins was a disappointment for me. I moved on quickly, but Paul has a lot of disappointed fans.

      • Yeah, I’m a Paul fan. My point is the “other” side seems to be so damn touchy. I think this is where I take my leave. It was nice commenting with you this year, hope to see you next season SamsarJello. :)

      • Hey, doll! You disappeared last night. I wanted to tell you I love ya and bye for this BB season. Maybe we’ll see each other on the other site. XOXO :D

      • Hello gorgeous!! Sorry, the kids needed my attention with their homework. I’ve so loved our time together this summer Miss K, you will never know how much. Love you too and I hope to see you around on RT here and there. I’ve really scaled back commenting over there but I usually read the blogs and comments and I hope to see your name on the threads, I’ll swoop down and mix it up with you, LOL!! Big {{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}} and lots of kisses💋💋💋💚💚💚 my friend https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0659bcc8cdf86e3ab5739e0b451f6a48824fb00d7f92f075676980f8eebdca86.gif and absolutely, I’ll be here for the next BB, count on it.

      • I AM counting on it. I need some sane people who see BB for the game of deceit that it is and who don’t get butt hurt over some real dishonest game playing. I was hoping Paul had done a better job with the questions/answers and speech part. It really got to him that Josh sent all of those revealing goodbye messages, which production made sure the HGs saw…each and every one of them. I don’t blame Josh at all, but I found it odd, as it was happening, that production chose to do that to Paul and for Josh. I think it made a huge difference in the outcome. JMO… I haven’t been on RT in a while myself. If I go, I’ll look for you. Maybe our paths will cross. Till next time…K

    • That will be the worst season eve. She is out of the game and still delusional, so it was not part of her game play.

  72. Paul should have won. He is the only player in history to get everyone in the house to throw a compatition, all of them trusted him through the whole game. He could not take all of them to the end so I think they are all poor losers

    • If he had owned everything he did, i would I agree with that. But he was a little chicken and did not man up to anything he did,,, which means he did not deserve to win. Josh at least had some balls.

  73. I do wonder if Paul had been in the jury house last year instead of coming up just short in F2, would he have been able to glean some jury management experience and not make the mistakes he did this year. Its almost like once the evicted were gone, they just disappeared in his eyes. The jury house became a true non-entity to Paul, especially going over 190 days in the BB House

  74. I think Paul knew he lost after the 1st question about being a bully !!
    He looked shocked that they would ask that !!

  75. The real winners last night were self pity and bitterness,Alex was so bitter last night she could have passed for “Pennywise” sister,what a bunch of cry babies!

  76. Paul is just a bitter as the jury, so it shouldn’t matter. His constant talk about being at a disadvantage, his continual bashing of players who called him out and tried to put a target on his back, his loaning about being robbed of the win last year, and his final comment about Josh’s messages being “cowardly.” If Josh didn’t be talk Paul, Paul would have vote do for Christmas because of his bitterness, so I say “All’s fair in love and Big Brother.”

  77. Count me among the bitter jury members then, because I am thrilled that Josh beat Paul! I think Paul blew his chances during his responses to the jury questions and because of all his side eyes and gesturing when Josh was talking. Arrogant asshat showed no respect or humility.

    • You can grasp for excuses to the cows come home but nothing you say here will change a vote based on nothing but self pity and bitterness,that was a travesty period and everyone know that even if they can’t bring themselves to admit the truth.

      • Think of it. The first HGs from earlier season could never win now against these morons. Those players won by actually played BB through lying, forming fake alliances and orchestrating blindsides would be labeled as ‘bad’ with 100 more adjectives. Too many butt hurt feelings and sheer pettiness. One self-proclaimed ‘gamer’even wore it on her cap for Gawd’z sake. According to this jury, no one should ever be blindsided, and HG should avoid hurting each other’s feelings at all costs. At the end of the game, just they should just split the money and hand out participation trophies.

      • You summed up the situation last night perfectly,guess BB is no longer a game but a sleepover with friends.

      • Thanks Hep, I’ve enjoyed your comments throughout the season. There was one priceless moment from last night. It was the look Dr. Will gave Alex when she, who demanded full disclosure from Paul, would not own up to anything. Dr. Will would probably been evicted in this house for such an affront to someone’s feelings. LOL cause we have to.

      • BB is now suffering from political correctness gone amuck! Butt hurt sore loser babies, HGs and viewers. ‘Til next season, Meerkat.

      • Ain’t that the truth, K!!! If they want a great season again, they should ask the age-old question about being a likable loser vs a hatable winner. Anybody who hesitates for even a second before answering correctly gets evicted from the applicant pool.
        See you next season, K.

      • I like that suggestion. I wish it was that easy to get BB back on track. I don’t like the way it is going. We’ll see next season…maybe. :)

    • Give me a break….if production was sooo helpful Paul would have won. I have never witnessed so many self righteous liars as I did in that Jury. Cody is an ass…he always was and he always will be. There is nothing nice about the guy. He had his sights set on Paul from the get go and he was going to make sure he lost regardless. What a bunch of loser houseguests. They got played and they are crybabies about it. Paul deserved the win!

      • 3 weeks of safety is too much…and Paul is the one that got played in the end.. U can hate Cody as much as u want…

  78. I think Josh played it better than Paul as far as these particular castmates in jury were concerned. Paul liked playing one upmanship which clearly peeoed these jurors. Instead of bragging about statistics, he should have asked why the jurors didn’t take him out when they did have the opportunity, after the Protection of Safety had expired. These jurors were bitter because they got played, plain and simple and didn’t respect that, whereas Josh was underestimated and played under the radar for the most part but also apologized to the hgs after he’d implemented their evictions. He played Paul just as much as Paul played him. Sucked to be Paul last night, I bet!

  79. Of course it was a bitter jury. Dude, when Raven (yes Raven) is the one making the most sense of everyone, that should be a clue. That said though, Paul did make one fatal mistake. Of course he was going to lie, backstab and tick off the jury, that is what the game is. Its a social experiment and one of the premises is what people will do to their peers in order to win a bunch of money. Otherwise you might as well draw straws to see who wins the game. Paul’s mistake was not owning it.
    I get that he did not want to tell people face to face while they were in the house because it would have blew up his game, BUT in his goodbye messages he will still spewing lies. Had he just come out and said, “look “X” I am sorry I had to do this, but unfortunately you were too strong of a competitor and I had to do what was best for my game. This was a game move not a personal move and I hope we can still be friends,” he might have won a couple of people over. Alex, Jason and Elena (shockingly) were super bitter and nothing would have changed that. But Cody and Mark possibly could have been swayed, being competitors and knowing something you get your hands dirty. All it would have taken is one of them.
    Of course I think that is what Paul did last year and it did not win him the game, so its hard to say. Of course last year one of his fatal flaws was that he was “not a girl” so he was doomed.
    I am not saying Josh did not deserve to win. He did, over everyone other than Paul.

  80. So many of the jurors say that had Paul been honest in the goodbye messages, they wouldn’t have been so bitter. I think that’s crap. They would have just been angry sooner.

  81. Malice backfires; spite boomerangs!
    Alex was the worst! She claims she’s a super fan yet she voted for Josh out of spite. Hopefully if she auditions for Survivor she fails.
    Cody will spend his AFP money on Jessica and once she spends it in a month she will be gone.
    Elena was just a spiteful douche bag and Mark went along with her.
    Jason….you will get you’re too but at least had the balls to say he was a sore loser.
    When Dr. Will asked who here has lied Alex said she never lied in the game. What a waste.
    Josh won the money but really didn’t deserve the win. I always said Paul’s decision to keep Josh and evict Ramses will come back to haunt him.
    Here’s to hoping CBB will be a better season!

  82. Really feel the 5 people who voted for Josh last night truly damaged the game of BB last more than they did Paul,they acted like uncontrolled toddlers in need of a bottle feeding

    • When you earn a spot in the jury house, you earn the right to vote to whoever you want to win. There`s not a rule saying you must vote for who played the best. It its your vote and you can do whatever you want with it.

      • She’s the biggest hypocrite of all. Cody got the gay vote when he’s anti gay. Super fan Alex voted out of spite. I still think the player who played best should win whether I like them or not. I guess I’m old school….the best player wins, not the most popular and every kid doesn’t deserve a trophy.

    • When Raven made the most sense I knew Paul was in trouble. But…a person who stated he hates gays got the gays to vote him for AFP! The super fans are now saying “jury management” what a crazy season. Alex needs to hang her head in shame. I’m so glad she wasn’t in F2. Hopefully survivor sees through her fairness and won’t cast her when she auditions.

  83. There is a common theme amongst Paul fans and that is that there is absolutely no limit to the lengths you can go to to win BB. You can lie, bully, cheat, manipulate, emotionally abuse others and its all just game play. You can go into the final q&a and continue to lie and insult the juries intelligence and still deserve to win. You can call your opponent a coward for doing something you only wish you would have thought of and still deserve to win. Paul is the embodiment of everything that is wrong in today’s society.

      • Exactly! Which is why it’s 100% fine that the jury didn’t vote for him. They are still playing the game, and got the final word. Paul’s game was flawed, he didn’t deserve the win.

  84. My biggest issue with Paul are his fans. I thought he was rude, callous, bitter, and had little self awareness but his fans… whew. Like player like fans.

    • Sorry Mother Teresa,didn’t realize you had come back from the dead,so please overlook the rest of us infidels as we post here,realize liking Paul is cardinal sin.

      • Nope, like Paul all you want. I have no problem with that. But give credit where credit it due: Josh deserved the win. The jury said so and they are the ones who ultimately get to set the standard for the season. It doesn’t matter if they were “bitter.” Understanding that they might be is part of the game too and Josh saw it when Paul didn’t.

  85. I think most of the jury was very bitter and just too ashamed to admit they’re sore losers. It sounds better and makes them feel better to say if Paul would have told the truth during the
    Q & A he would have gotten their vote.

    • You are spot on,those 5 simply cannot face a mirror and admit to themselves they have no one to blame but themselves,last night vote was a exercise in denial.

      • The jury can vote how they want but I don’t think Alex and Cody were truthful with themselves or viewers in why they didn’t vote for Paul.

      • I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. House members are not simply robotic disposable items to be discarded on your way to the end.

        They’re human and experience quite a surge in various emotions throughout the game. How those emotions are handled can mean the difference between a win and loss.

        Treating people with even the slightest respect can mean a win in the end.

      • The jury justifies the vote and that is their right. Every season is a different game. They create their own society, rules, and idea of what is okay or not and we just watch.

      • Like Renny said when she voted for Dan over Memphis in BB10 – A smile in the morning goes a long way.

      • I disagree. Last nights vote was everything good about big brother. Just because they are in jury doesn’t mean they are done playing the game. Their votes are their final moves and Josh saw that when Paul didn’t.

      • Those 5 damaged the game last night,just that simple and nothing you say will ever change that one simple fact.

      • Nope, I think they made it better. They reminded us that if you are about to win 500k for literally doing nothing but sit in a house all summer and play a game while the rest of the world is dealing with things like hurricanes, terrorist attacks, etc. you dang sure better be grateful. Paul thought he was better then everyone and the jury saw that and knocked him down a peg. All’s fair in love and Big Brother.

      • Damaged the game how? Are the next contestants no longer going to lie, cheat, and back stab in BB? Or are they going to adapt and realize that maybe it is important how you treat the people you send out the door who ultimately have your fate in their hands?

      • So its no longer the best player wins? In that case Kevin should have been the clear winner.

      • Paul played the best for a good portion of the game, but when it came to crunch time he choked. So he wasn’t the best player. Josh was the best player because he’s got the $500k check and the title of winner of BB19.

      • Those 5 saved the integrity of BB to me. I was so happy they made the season finally worthwhile.

    • So true. They were fooled until they were evicted and now couldn’t face the shame so they had to make up some bs to try and save face. It didn’t work. They were the biggest group of losers in BB history.

    • If the jury is so bitter as to not vote for the best game player then that player didnt play the best game did he??? Pissing people off to the point of losing votes is bad game play.

  86. Big Brother should do away with the jury and instead have the final two run a Ninja Warrior obstacle course to determine the winner.

    • hahaha my boyfriend said this last night… and he doesnt even watch the show like I do (actually at all) but he still knows how bad this season was lolol

    • I love that idea. Or have the final three have a physical comp, a mental comp and a combined physical/mental comp. The best scores win!

  87. If you still have BB fever as I do, I recommend for you to watch the Rob Cesternino interview if you haven’t already. It is on this page above.
    I will like to thank Matt Boyer for his wonderful threads and for keeping it up every season. As well as Brendan and Adam.
    It took over my whole summer, but I enjoyed all of the comments, even those who were able to disagree in a civil manner. I hope to come back during the celeb season and of course some of you will be on the Survivor Fandom page.
    Tata. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0e978b58de771c7085aaf15d073093671ccb2c1742e9a376fdfb3158ba24fb2.jpg

  88. Paul deserved to win, but I am so happy that he lost. In the end he continued to lie his way through the jury questions and downplayed his role in evicting all of the jury members. He might have swayed another person had he been more honest during the jury questions. I was rooting for Josh in the final weeks because I disliked how Paul played the game so much toward the end.

    • Paul didn’t deserve to win. He was clearly the front runner, an overwhelming favorite, and played the best game for most of the season, but he choked that away in the end. The superior team on paper doesn’t always win and he has no one to blame for losing but himself.

  89. Matt: Who cares. Dislike him immensely.
    Raven: Bitter then not bitter. Front and center in her Sunday Best is all She cared about.
    Elena: Bitter,
    Mark: Bitter,
    Jason: Not bitter. Just wants to get home
    Alex: Bitter,
    Kevin: Not bitter
    Cody: Bitter and then not bitter….Just so damn happy to see Jessica.

  90. For the people that say Paul should’ve won, he played a better game…you guys really need to learn that jury management is part of the game. It’s not about doing whatever you can to get to the end anymore, it’s about getting there while keeping the people you send packing on your good side. We’ve seen this numerous of times. If you constantly stab people in the back, they’re most likely not going to vote for you.

    We’re not in the same world we were in 18 years ago when Dr. Will won.

  91. I do think some jury members were bitter . . .but that is their right ! While Paul may have played them all as Puppets . . . at least Josh was more truthful and did feel compassion for the people evicted. While Paul could have cared less. Nothing as precious as seeing Paul’s face . .when Julie showed Josh’s good by messages to all the evicted house guests . .telling them all that he and Paul and Xmas were in an Alliance and agreed together to vote that person out ! Paul called Josh a ‘ coward’ for doing that !!!! What !!!!!! No Paul . . a coward is someone that slinks into the back bedroom and let’s everyone else do their dirty work for them. Even after the awful way Paul treated them all . .he could have redeemed himself . . .by for once being truthful at the end with the Jury questions. That’s where he lost $500,000 ! He didn’t even answer the questions and what he did say was blatant lies . . . so yes I think the right person won !!!!!

    • “he could have redeemed himself . . .by for once being truthful at the end with the Jury questions”

      Agreed. Paul trying to still use the friendship angle cost him the game. Telling the truth would have won him the money. The issue is Paul not being able to handle being the bad guy. See’s himself as beloved by everyone. His parents must have really coddled Him as a child.

  92. and to those defending joshs so called “compassion and honesty”- Where was this compassion and honesty in the house? He used it at the end for pity.

    • “Where was this compassion and honesty in the house?”

      Hi Kelly. Do you believe Josh telling the jury members the truth in the eviction messages while Paul blamed it on someone else made the difference in the outcome? I really do. Perhaps that can be considered compassion?

      • Oh of course. I am not blind to Pauls downfall. I think he should’ve been honest in the goodbye messages for sure. But I just cant seem to feel right about putting all this blame on him when he played his ass off. Everyone else was just there to make it to jury, or for more followers.

    • But in case you didn’t catch it the first 20 times, he’s been a super fan since he was a teen. Plus, he was nervous and excited. Therefore, he was entitled to win.

  93. Paul should have won, and I was raging last night when he didn’t. I’m still raging.

    Alex said she was going to vote for the person who stabbed her in the front, not the back. Uhm…He didn’t put her up or vote her out. He orchestrated the entire thing, yes, but he actually went to her after winning veto and told her he wasn’t going to use it. I hope she feels like crap when she sees him sobbing in the DR about it, because unlike hers, those tears were real.

    I think a few of the jurors are going to watch this season and regret their choice. I’m sure Cody did as soon as Jess said she’d have voted for Paul, in his own Cody way.

    Idiots, ugh.

  94. from my view- Alex at least was extremely bitter- all the faces she was making throughout- constantly making everything about her, she really felt like she should be in the f2 and it was all Paul’s fault with her taking none of the responsibility… they seemed to all put their lack of gameplay or savvy playing and blame Paul for their stupidity- even Jason- he can’t seem to gain any clarity, but how can he with Alex in his ear- still! cody was in with Elena/mark so there went his vote… just a bad ending to a bad season

    • Paul lied to her multiple times, including during jury questioning….. I understand this is a game, but he should have been honest at the end, it would have taken him farther. Alex even said Josh had better Jury management.

      • Alex said in her interview that if Paul had been honest in the jury questions, she would have voted for him. It’s in the interview above…

      • but really- how would she know what was “an honest reply” – she was not watching the show and the behind the scenes conversations- she is is so phony to me- she goes on every-time about her not being in F2 w/Paul- she is sore about it

      • Jury felt that Josh made amends with most people where as Paul continued to lie. I guess when you are in the jury house with 8 other people, you can start to realize what’s a lie and what isn’t. Plus, Josh let it out with his exit interviews.

      • well- Josh used Paul to his benefit to get to the end- and dumping on pauls game in his gb message was a bit underhanded- but because he was using paul it was ok

      • Right? When Paul said he’d never said he was going to use the veto then didn’t, they showed Mark looking at Alex and Alex rolling her eyes.

        Uhm…he told you he wasn’t going to use it on you.

        She needs to get over herself.

      • Alex is full of BS! She was bitter plain and simple. And still too bitter to be honest about why she voted for Josh.

      • Enough with the JURY MANAGMENT…geezzz!!! It seems like the new word everyone who disliked Paul’s style of play has picked up.

      • That is why he lost though…. They talked about it all season. That was what Paul’s entire game was about. He just wasn’t counting on Josh blowing it up and wasn’t counting on people there talking in groups where he couldn’t control it.

  95. Can we just talk for a second about how many of us are at work sitting in our desks thinking about Big Brother all day? This is the best day of work I’ve had in months! Haha

  96. Sorry, but for me complaining about a bitter jury as a reason for the loss is just bitter. Paul had a shot, he messed up and lied to the end. If he had owned how he played maybe he would have won. All of the things people are complaining about as being a bitter jury was their right to feel and they also had the right to vote based on how they felt. Josh did some stupid things but at least he admitted it was strategy, Paul denied everything. generally speaking people don’t like it when you lie to their face. Josh didn’t play badly otherwise, he won when he needed to and imo matured during the season. Sometimes in life it comes down to who you dislike the least (like in elections) and that is who gets the vote.

      • Exactly you win by jury not by being the Final HOH. A jury votes for you and it’s not based on # of comps won if you don’t play that jury right you will not win…

      • As Alex said in her interview… if Paul was honest during the questioning at the end, he probably would have gotten more votes and if it’s truly just a game, the two of them will still be friends.

      • See what you don’t understand davjones … I don’t believe what Alex said in her interview. I actually think she’s a sore loser. So…

      • Except that she went into jury prepared to vote for Paul. In the end I was surprised at how bitter she was, I really think it’s because of Paul not owning up to his deeds.

        Paul played the best game and deserved the win out of everyone there, BUT he went overboard with the bullying type strategy and made it worse by denying he was a part of it when asked how did it help his game.

        If having respect for someone who owns up to their actions and no respect for someone who doesn’t makes a bitter jury, then Paul got what he deserved.

      • I know there would be no winning if Paul lost, Jury were sore losers if Paul lost there is no other reason…

      • I like that idea…have America vote. But, seriously, I thought all the houseguests were idiots. So I’m not surprised by how things ended.

      • I originally though the same thing… America vote. But I don’t trust CBS would count our votes accurately.

    • I didn’t like Josh or Paul during the season, I wanted to see both of them leave the house. I wanted to see Jason go far. Everyone thought Paul had an A+ speech, but he wasn’t honest…. Josh was honest in the questions and speech, so he won.

      • I agree, I have been saying for the last month that I hate them all lol. I wouldn’t say everyone thought Paul’s speech was great. There are some of us that thought it stunk.

      • I struggled to understand him, I had to rewind several times. I wonder if the jury could understand him?

  97. I don’t care what the answer to the poll is. Paul got his come-uppance. Next tim he should have a better social game. I loved the look on his face when he lost. And I hope that someone where he is from comes and treats him like he had everyone do to Cody and Jessica. He’s lucky I wasn’t in there cause if he tried to bully me like that. I would have made him suffer little man syndrome for the rest of his life.

  98. Actually, some jurors did say that at least Josh said and done everything to their face. That Josh done all of Paul’s dirty work and Paul stood behind the scenes and never admitted it. So I don’t blame them, Josh won the jury by being honest in his GBM’s and his speech. Josh answered all the Juror questions a whole lot better than Paul. Josh deserved it just as much as anyone. In one interview, Alex even admitted that if Paul has owned up, (and she wished he had in his questions and speech), she would have voted for him to win. Paul has NO jury management, he is to cocky, arrogant, and he thought he had the game won week one. GO JOSH.

  99. The question should NOT be: Was the jury bitter? The question SHOULD be: Does it matter if they were bitter? Who decides how the jury should vote?

    Jason had it right: the jury draws the line, not us.

    • They should get rid of the jury. The fact that the best player might not always win is a cheat to the entire game!

  100. I think we should concentrate our efforts on convincing Raven and Matt to join the first manned mission to Mars.

    From what I gather it’s a one way trip.

  101. Were the jurors truly “bitter” (some were, I’m sure) or did they believe Paul’s social game/jury management was not deserving of a win? That’s the real question, and I guess we won’t all agree on the answer to that!

    Was a lot of fun reading the articles and all the comments here in BBNework. Thanks, all!

  102. This is not a jury that is going to decide if someone goes to jail, they are deciding who’s winning $500K based on a game they are playing. They are allowed to vote on the winner based on game play, who wins the most comps, their social game, their emotions, who are their friends…whatever they want. That’s why this is a game.

  103. So is Big Brother going to keep bringing Paul back til he finally wins? I’m tired of Vets coming back to the BB house with a bunch of stupid newbies!!! If you (Big Brothers) going to give Paul a third chance then let it be in a All Star season with nothing but second place losers!

  104. Yes it was a bitter jury but that’s part of the game. Paul planned ahead for everything except that.

    • There are no rules on how they should or shouldn’t vote. If they were bitter at Paul, then he screwed up.

    • When you have a season full of unnecessary personal attacks on other HG, how do you expect the jury not to vote personally? And by unnecessary, I mean instances like how Paul made stuff up about Kevin to Alex just to get her to hate him. How did that serve Paul’s game considering he did not take Kevin to F2?

      • Agreed! Or Paul telling Xmas to get in Kevin’s head by yelling at him that he wanted to have sex with her. Classless.

      • It’s rude, obnoxious & (since he didn’t take Kev to F2) pointless as well. Causing a huge brewhaha between Kevin & the house served no game purpose for Paul whatsoever and emphasizes his utter lack of empathy for people.

      • Paul had decided not to take Kevin to F2 (mistake, although F2 turned out not to be Paul’s decision anyway). So he needed him out, and wanted to deflect the blame on “the house”.

  105. The game is played all the way to the final decision of the Jury…not half assed, not 90%. Paul played the game with so much strategy coming in, but I believe his last blunder is not using the Veto on alex and choosing to keep Josh over Kevin. Had he kept Kevin, Josh would’ve been evicted and Paul, Kevin & xmas in the end is a slam dunk for Paul.

  106. I believe Josh won by telling every one that was evicted that Paul was behind it, letting the Jury know what was happening. It prevented Paul from brain washing the Jury unlike what he did to the houseguests. Also Paul was really the one who told Josh to bang the pans. Agreed Josh had the idea, but Paul talked him into it. So Paul was be hind some of the bullying.

  107. Its part of the game and if you don’t account for the jury, you failed a big portion of the game. I honestly thought Paul chose the wrong duo to go to the F3 with, arguably, Jalex might have been better and try and aim it be between Paul and Alex, those early jurors don’t like her any more than Paul and it might have balanced out some stuff. And then, and he couldn’t have known this one, but he would have been even better off with Maven. I didn’t account for how much Mark and Elena actually hated them, nor could Paul have.

    • I think Paul was being somewhat loyal to Josh because Josh did a lot of his dirty work for him. Without Josh, Paul may not have gone this far.

  108. The interview with Raven where she answers the kool aid question… officially the best moment raven has ever had ever lolololol

    • OMG right?! “Oh it was cherry.” LMAO! She sounded like an idiot, just like the good little sheep she’d been all season especially when she said “Paul is an amazing cook that’s why they thought he was an undercover chef last season.” *gag* SSo over Raven, unless it’s to view excerpts of her realizing her gofundme account has been closed and she’s not America’s sweetheart! ;)

      • HAHAHAA yeah I love the lil jabs he threw her way also. Something along the lines of being excited for her to find out how much she is “loved” and how there has been “Parties” for her hahahahahaaaaa

      • OMFG! Yes! When he said “and fans have even had parties in your honor” or something like that! I about died laughing. She is avoiding all social media right now. Her comments on Instagram are turned off & her twitter acct is now private! LMAO! I guess Raven has *finally* caught a clue that she’s NOT America’s sickest little sweetheart! haha

  109. Paul outplayed, and outsmarted every player in the house this summer. It’s a travesty that they were so petty. For a vet to get to the end WITHOUT EVER seeing the block is incredible. He made every move in that house happen. He definitely deserved the win!! EASILY

    • He made every move except the one where you’re supposed to secure jury votes. And for that misstep he doesn’t deserve to win.

      • That’s your opinion. I don’t agree. It was very clear to me, that they didn’t vote “for” Josh. They were voting “against” Paul. Maybe I’d be bitter too if someone was able to manipulate me for an entire summer, or maybe I’d give them the credit that I didn’t have a clue what they were up to until I got to the jury house…

      • When Josh told the truth in his goodbye messages and Paul continued to lie his game was sunk. Owning your game is a big part of Big brother. Josh didn’t win Paul lost with the lack of Jury management and continued manipulation. I agree he played the best game he just needed to own it.

      • Paul played a better game OVERALL, but he did not play the best game. He screwed up for the reasons already mentioned. In life, it doesn’t take much to lose everything. In fact, Paul didn’t lose, he won $50K and that weasle, gangster, Zoolander, and diva Kevin got $ for doing nothing.

  110. watching Christmas interview she needs to watch this season so recalls the actions better. Right now she is delusional

    • She was on pain meds for most of the season. Her chronic pain as a result of her broken foot will be a constant reminder of her time on the show.

  111. As for Paul being ‘robbed’, he can only blame himself. Winning the jury’s vote is a huge part of the game. Bitter or not, Paul failed to secure his votes. Josh earned that win! For whatever reasons, he had the votes and as we have seen for the past two seasons, it only takes one vote.

    • The jury can vote how they want but we are free to think they were overly bitter – especially Elena and Mark who Paul promised nothing.

  112. I think it Ironic that Alex said she was going to vote for Paul, but then she heard he was saying stuff about her behind her back. So it was ok for her to talk crap but nobody else?

  113. Yes, they were bitter because Paul outsmarted every single one of them. Josh being the winner is nothing but a joke. Nastiest bully ever on big brother.
    It made me sick when he won.
    I wanted Josh out first day I heard his ugly voice and if I had been on the show, I would have made sure that ugly Josh was gone!

  114. Quite possibly the least deserving BB winner. I can’t think of someone less deserving. Lisa in 3 maybe. Similar situation one player controls the whole game, outplays everyone and loses to a bitter jury.

  115. The may have been somewhat bitter, but I just felt they had no respect for Paul and the dirty way he played. There were many who won the game without playing dirty. Lying will always be a part in the game, but Paul crossed it when his ideas cam from the gutter. And this season was the most obvious with production interference. Paul got all the breaks. Games he’s played before. They cast mostly sheep who weren’t playing the game, but they looked more like they were just there to hang out. Christmas should have never been allowed to continue because she left the house for more than a few hours to get medical care. What they should have done is pull her from the game and offer her a spot for the next season. Who knows how much she found out while she was out of the house. I’m sure the hospital didn’t allow BB handlers to be with her in the OR and Recovery Room. I didn’t like Paul last season and I couldn’t stand him this season. The look on his face when he found out about Josh’s goodbye messages and when Josh overtook him in the votes was the best thing all season. Even though I voted for Kevin, to see all their faces when Cody got AFP was the icing on the cake. And I think Cody is a jerk. So I wouldn’t say the jury was bitter. They just didn’t like the way Paul played the game. It’s their decision how to decide who wins. And they made it.

  116. Big brother is about reading people accurately. The best players of all time were always aware of all the people in the jury. The jury will accept being lied to. That’s part of the game. What they don’t accept are people failing to own their lies, whether because the finalists are self deluded (and don’t realize that they’ve been lying) or just manipulative (and want the jurors to believe the lies). To the jury, it’s important to be honest–they can respect that just like they respect lying and backstabbing in the game.

    In Paul’s case, he had a problem. He was a puppet master, yes. He orchestrated every HOH, every eviction, every throwing of competition, the whole season long. And the people in the house let him do it. But his impulse was always to backstab and blind side. If at all possible, he wanted the house calm, so he would lie to the person going, telling them that he was on their side right up to the point that they went out the door. He did it over and over, and the people left in the house believed him every time. He was obsessed with not getting blood on his hands–in the house. But the people gone knew he was a liar, that he hadn’t had their backs, that he had backstabbed them.

    When he talked to the jury, he tried to do the same thing–avoid getting blood on his hands by presenting his actions in the best possible light. The problem was, the people in the jury could see the disconnect between their experience and his words, and the fact that Paul was still telling them that he was their boy while wading in a sea of their blood . . .

    You can’t claim to orchestrate everything and then claim that verbal attacks that happened while you were in the background, feeding people lines were not your fault. If you want people to treat Josh as though his mouth were his own, you can’t also expect people to give you credit for all his game actions. What Paul did was try to claim that all the game playing was Paul’s and all the friendship was Paul’s, but any bad behavior was everyone else’s and he had nothing to do with it (yes, I know. That’s simplistic.). The jury wasn’t buying.

    That’s why he lost, despite having the only game this season. He refused to be honest about his game to the jury. That’s the line the jury drew, and it was their right to draw it. I think if Paul had owned his lies, he could have won.

    • I think his downfall was wanting everything calm up until the person walked out the door. He didn’t want to be confronted and have a target on his back, but having a target and persevering is what earns the jury’s respect. That is what Josh did and why he ultimately won.

  117. So what was with Raven hanging on Paul’s arm and rubbing it, at the end. She needs help badly. She did the pageant walk out when they introduced the jury which was hysterical……and the facial expressions when she was hanging on Paul’s arm were crazy.

  118. The way I see it, the jury was bitter because they were butt hurt that someone played them like a fiddle and not for any other reason. I’ve never seen a bunch of people with huge egos. Believe me, they all gave as good as they got in the overall negativity in that house. It left an awful taste in my mouth. Sure, some of Paul’s strategy was questionable ( why did you choose to play that way) but it was his choice. I do agree with Dr. Will’s assessment that there’s a certain amount of luck in any game – when a player peaks and if it’s at the most opportune of times. It must have took a tremendous amount of energy to keep up the strategy level of Paul’s and I think that he ran out of steam before he should have. I think that choosing the type of strategy that he did he may have neglected to connect with the house guests on a more intimate and personal level, beside game play, thus why he performed so poorly in the last round. You have to listen as well as be heard. But who am I? I never played Big Brother. I don’t think I have the tenacity and energy to do so. That’s why I can’t judge any one of them personally- only on game play. I do know , however, when revenge is put in play. It’s nasty. That’s what we saw take place last night. That’s my perspective. You can like it or hate it but it’s mine.

    • Update- I stand corrected. Paul was playing the game to the finish. You think that you know everything that’s going on watching the feeds but you really don’t . We all are not mind readers. After watching Paul on Reality Recap over the weekend, I actually got to hear Paul’s perspective. He threw that last competition in the final round. It was part of his strategy. It was a gamble. Luckily, Josh chose to take him to Final 2. That’s a gut feel for the game so I’m sorry that I jumped to the former conclusion. I still feel that was a lot of vindictive feelings in that Jury which still doesn’t sit right with me. Anyway, I’m moving on and taking with me the very best memories of this season. Watching Big Brother feeds has been very good for me this summer and I take with it the blessings. I consider myself fortunate.

  119. This wasn’t supposed to be a popularity contest. Nobody came close to playing the game better than Paul.

    • Everyone understands the game involves deception and eviction … but you have to do in a way that the evicted respect you enough to vote for you.

    • Paul overplayed the game, never came clean, and didn’t manage the jury. That was his undoing and he lost…sort of. He still got $100K for this year and last assuming he doesn’t blow it all on pot.

  120. Alex is one of the most bitter, whining, hypocritical, poor sport player sever in BB history. PATHETIC.

  121. Poor jury management is why PAUL lost – Josh did the jury management and won comps so he deserved it!

  122. After watching Matt’s DR’s and jury house and post game interviews … I think his cereal addiction has deteriorated his brain.

  123. Even though I would have voted for Paul to win (while still questioning his jury management), Josh was smarter than I thought. I think one reason he did not cut Paul is he saw what Paul was doing with the jurors. He would have otherwise. I thought he might be first out when the cast reveal came, so congrats to him.

  124. Was the jury bitter? Yes. Did Paul deserve to win over Josh? Not really. Jury management is a big part of this game, and Paul did not play this angle well. Josh had better jury management, but he screwed up while in the house playing the game. Fact is, both screwed up, just at different aspects of Big Brother.

  125. The interview Rob Has A Podcast did with Raven was by far comedy gold. If you haven’t listened/watched, you’re missing out.

    Rob- When you get out of the house, you’ll be surprised, you’re gonna be blown away. People even had parties for you planned along the way.
    😂

    • That was funny…..He was soooo laughing at her ass without cracking a grin….Really good interview..

      • I don’t know how he did it! I almost inhaled my drink when he asked her what her favorite flavor of Kool Aid that Paul made was. And then again when he asked how she was, since there’s so much wrong with her. “There is nothing wrong with you, Raven. Nothing at all.”

  126. It doesn’t matter if the jury was bitter. What matters is that Josh accurately accounted for their bitterness and therefore he won the game for himself.

  127. Josh turned out to be a bit more slick than most people thought. Once he saw through Paul’s game, he started making moves that would sabotage Paul in the end. Every evictee got the same message from Josh: “Regardless of what Paul tells you, he masterminded every eviction, and he took over and controlled every HOH. He claimed to be in an alliance with everybody, but the real alliance was between Paul, Christmas and me. The rest of you have been played and lied to all along. Paul had everyone else do his dirty work and, for my part in that, I am truly sorry.” Josh rightfully figured his goodbye messages would turn the HGs into bitter jurors, and that’s why he picked Paul in the end.
    Ouch. And Paul was so into himself he never considered Josh (or someone) might just be turning on him. For those turns and backstabs intended to crush Paul’s rush to $500K, Josh deserved the win.

    • I always said that if I was chosen to go on BB, I’d use my goodbye messages to my advantage. It’s the perfect time to shed light on what the evictee was missing, and be respectful about it so I would still have their jury vote. I’ve always wondered why more people didn’t do what Josh did!

  128. I don’t know if it made any difference in the vote total, but I was certainly not impressed in any way by the answers Paul gave to the juror’s questions. Why did he refuse to acknowledge how he had played the game?

    • to be fair, Josh’s answers wouldn’t have swayed me. they were worse imo. he just kept on repeating the same things.

      i am pretty sure the jurors already made up their mind before the closing arguments.

    • Arrogance? The belief that he owned them nothing? The statement that he didn’t know any other way to play?

    • Paul was an arrogant idiot! He did not even realise that he was slashing his own throat in front of ten of millions of viewers in addition to the jury! How can you be credible when you say that I just followed what everyone wanted? So, he did not manipulate anyone, control anyone, tell them to bully Cody, etc. ? So, he said he did nothing in the Big Brother House all season. Josh took credit for everything he did, good or bad! So, Josh won it fair and square! Paul just destroyed himself on national TV and he is pissed over it? Grow up!

  129. Alex said it best: “I am going to vote for the person who stabbed me in the front, not the back”.

    I am surprised Cody was so wishy washy. He later changed his POV after Jessica said she would vote for Paul. Fortunately, his vote was already cast. In any event, Cody seems to be in need of some serious psychiatry. He even acknowledged the producers warned him many times not to rush over and hug Jessica. Cody has become a loose cannon. Not even the military want him back.

    • Cody seems to be in need of some serious psychiatry.

      Nah … he’s OK.

      It’s Raven and the compulsive cereal eater that need some time on the couch.

      • Raven front and center during the finale in her Sunday best dress and dolphin pitched voice. She put on quite the show.
        Loved Codys groan when She mentioned about having 8 surgeries. Was in regards to Christmas being in the game with a broken foot.

      • hahaha., i don’t think there is a treatment plan for raven invented yet. there is no treatment for being stupid or an idiot.

    • “Not even the military want him back.”

      I agree that He needs counseling and treatment for PTSD but he did serve his Country with honors. I thank him for his service.

      • Agreed, Nobody should dismiss his prior service. He’s just badly messed up right now. For Jessica’s sake, he needs to get treatment soon.

  130. Josh only got up there because Paul brought him to the top. He threw him comps in both HOH and veto. Paul played a flawless game. The old evel DICK has hated Paul since day 1 and he is so irrevelant already. Why ask his or any former HGs opinion?

  131. Did anyone get the impression while watching R3 that Paul threw the competition to Josh so once again he could keep his hands clean and not be the one to evict Christmas?

    • Makes alot of sense. Didn’t Paul spent much of his free time going over game info and facts? Was surprised when he didn’t dominate the comp.

      • Paul is not going to play as hard as he did and then leave his going to F2 to chance. He lost the R3.

      • Paul thought He had it easy. Was really shocked when finding out Josh was planting those messages. Over confident in thinking Josh would be an easy win?

      • Oh yeah, for sure. He never thought Josh could beat him. Even the faces he made when Josh was talking in the Q&A, speech showed no respect. He badly underestimated his ‘boy’

      • The game has changed forever. I don’t believe we will ever see a ruthless game plan again..at least not a winning game plan.
        The millennials will reward kindness, fair gameplay, good sportsmanship as the new dominant strategy. Am I just being dramatic?..have watched a few Raven videos.

      • Alf, you off riding the unicorn with Raven again, lol? I think a ruthless game can win but not a ruthless, cowardly game. Geez even those 2 words together don’ t work. I think Paul could well have won if he had owned his game.

      • Yes ma’am, I knew you’d know
        What did you think of the new look Will was sporting last nite? The glasses, the grey at the temples and he looked thinner.

      • Will looked amazing last night! It looks like he’s finally stopped with the Botox injections that were making his face puffy. I think he looks older yes, but way sexier than the puffy faced Botox look he was sporting before.

      • LOL! You’re too funny, Alfie! ;) Afternoon to ya, my friend. :)
        I don’t think it was his ruthless game play per se that people objected to as much as it was his lack of owning his game play and admitting he had played them as a strategy. JMO, but I think had Paul owned his tactics and showed even a shred of remorse for how he treated his fellow HG he would have won.

      • lol 450,000 is worth one “Alex; you’re right and you got got. I played you, owned you, kicked yo azz out da door. Now gimme your vote. Thanks.”

      • TY! I do too. That’d be crazy. I would probably have to stay off this forum tho if he did make it b/c if someone was talking trash about my baby I’d go all evil T on them! It’d make Josh’s pots & pans look like play time with Bonzo! ;)

      • Looking over the group, I think Alex is exactly the one he should have treated better. But with Paul, out of sight was out of mind. Big mistake.

      • Hi T. Always a pleasure. The millennials are a sensitive group. Paul picked on them and was a better player. He didn’t share enough. Everyone has to get something..5th place trophies for effort.

      • Nope, I’m not blaming Paul for not being PC. Have you heard me call him out on calling Christians ignorant? Nope. Thought it was stupid, but that’s his beliefs and he’s entitled to them. However, instigating a season of personal dramas & then not owning it will cause a bitter jury and that is what Paul experienced last night. Did he play a better game than Josh? Yeah, I think he did. He definitely was more influential than Josh, but he miscalculated the jury, and then he made that mistake even worse in his Q&A’s when he continued to try & lie his way out of it…

      • That’s what I think, too. Why play? He was still in control of Josh (so he thought); he knew Josh would take him to the end.

      • Definitely. I think we are all a bit guilty of that. I know I was shocked at how well Josh did in the Q&A’s…Just as I was stunned at how badly Paul did.

      • Yeah, Paul was wound up like a Jack-in-the-box. I fully expected his spring to break and for him to fly out of the chair.

      • I guess I’ll give it another shot this year. I was on for a little bit last year, but since I am new to Survivor, just started watching two years ago when Caleb played in Kaoh Rong, I was a bit insecure posting. ;) lol

      • Aw Alf, thank you, you charmer you. You really know how to make a gal blush, are you taking classes from Will Kirby?? ;)

      • Okie-dokie, I won’t. Just hold my hand as if you were walking me to my first kindergarten class…especially if I mess up facts & stuff! LOLOL!

      • Alrighty then… I’m in for Survivor. Loved last season actually. Sarah was cut throat. I love how Jeff leads them sometimes in tribal too. Wish Julie could do that a bit more. hehe

      • Yes, there were some excellent tribal councils last season. I like how they give you some info leading up to them and then you are completely surprised by what happens. Not like BB this season for sure.

      • Maybe it was the way he kept looking over at Josh, either smiling or laughing. IDK; it just looked funny.

      • They told Christmas she was going regardless of which one of them at won and she was OK with that. She totally understood so I don’t think it would’ve mattered.

    • He was super committed to his “no blood” strategy … to his detriment when answering the jury questions.

      • Everybody in the jury knew he had lied the entire game, so when he lied in his F2 speech and during the Q&A they all knew they were just hearing more of the same. Paul didn’t know Josh had told them all what was going on … Paul seriously underestimated the meatball.

      • I didn’t understand why he thought no one would talk in the jury house. The move by Josh was totally unexpected … Paul was floored.

      • It’s baffling. Maybe just a case of he thought he had them all so intimidated – or maybe just sheer arrogance.

      • Paul taking Alex out the way he did hurt him badly. He should have been honest and as She said ” stabbed him in the front” not the back. She would have respected that and brought Jason along.

    • that was great he was mocking her playing along with her and the girl has not a clue might as well add poor cell brain deasease to her list of aliments

  132. Paul simply was arrogant the entire season and he didn’t take into consideration the jury would talk, again because of his arrogance!
    Bad jury management and that’s why he lost. He should’ve been truthful with his goodbye messages.

    • Years from now, after all the dust settles, and Big Brother is cancelled, people will look back this moment, and realise that this moment was the shark jumping moment for the show. Plus I think BB is spreading itself too thin with Celebrity BB. And that will probably advance it’s shelf life. I think BB is on its way out, in all honesty.

      But After the emotions are over, and people no longer care, they will see that Paul was best player in years, and got robbed by a bunch of sore losers. And to cheat someone out of $450K, bc you’re a sore loser, just doesn’t sit right with me. Paul got screwed. Paul could’ve been sitting next to Hitler, and still lost, due to the level of irrational hate the jury had for Paul. Alex would been like “Yeah, Hitler killed 6 million jews, but Paul stabbed me in the back.”

      CBS has a very broken jury system. And they need to fix it. The jury house was created to stop juries from being bitter. Because that’s how Danielle lost in season 3. My suggestion would be to sequester all the jury members separately, or ha e no jury at all. Bc they jury no longer serves it’s intended purpose. It was never intended to be about bitterness. This is season 3 all o at again. I miss the days when the jury members knew that they had been duped, and respected the player for it. With this jury, Derrick would’ve lost.

      • When he watches it back … he’ll see his fatal errors.

        From my vantage point he had tunnel vision. A laser focus on being able to claim he had no hand in anything.

        Now that’s fine, if all the jury members are sequestered individually and not able to talk to each other. Once together it was over.

        Josh’s goodbye messages were the coup de grâce.

      • In his backyard interview, Paul says he didn’t watch BB18 afterwards and he won’t watch this one. It’s over and he’s moving on… LOLOLOL!!!

      • And, we have found yet another reason for WHY Paul lost BB a second time. First thing he should’ve done was watch himself on BB18 so he could spot any mistakes he might have made and worked on them. But then again, what am I thinking? Paul thinks he doesn’t make mistakes, therefore, what could he possibly learn from watching the shows? hahaha

  133. That poll is impossible to answer. Why is it Paul earned it or Josh played better or Paul again? I will be thrilled if I never see Paul again on my screen. I don’t think Josh played better in most aspects of the game. I also do think many in jury wanted anyone but Paul to win BUT I think that is because Paul did not play the jury management part of the game well either season of BB. Josh managed the jury well, far better than Paul. He owned what he did and gave them reasons why they could start to forgive or at least understand his actions. Paul owned nothing His ego took over again and continued to deny things that the jury clearly knew was false. He either bought his own lies he told them so often or he was so arrogant he thought he could keep pulling off the lies even after they compared notes. The jury questions clearly gave a message that they were unhappy with his actions and how they viewed them and he did virtually nothing to try to clear it up and was a bit condensing in the process.

  134. Say what you want about the jury, but as far as I’m concerned after 90+ days in the BB house and jury, they’re entitled to vote any way the want

  135. Simple answer? Yes, Paul was robbed. Paul was the better player and he did not win, because the jury was upset over the way the game should be played. However, at this point I just don’t care anymore. Last year I was so mad when Nicole won over Paul, but this season I knew the jury wouldn’t vote for the better player, so I really don’t care anymore. We’re getting to the point where these jury members can’t separate the game from their personal lives, and down the road some of them will realize they’re idiots when they see Josh on the hall of fame wall with Big Brother winners like Dan, Evel Dick, Ian Terry, Rachel Reily, etc. Not because Josh is a bad player, but because he is nowhere, NOWHERE, near the level of any of those past winners, and now he will be regarded to as “one of them”

    • You sound very immature. In life, you can be better and still lose. If you slip up over the smallest detail (jury management) you lose.

    • Well, maybe the jurors could have separated the game from their personal lives if Paul hadn’t make his continuing attacks on them so personal.

      • Put all your personal feelings aside and put aside everything Paul has done, because a lot of these other people in the house have done the same. The question remains: is Josh a rightful Big Brother winner? And the answer is simply no, sorry, I love Josh and I think he was an amazing character for the show, but he did nothing at all worthy of crowning him a “worthy winner”

      • Kyle, that’s not how the game works.

        There are no set parameters the jurors have to adhere to in making their choice. Once you realize this, you will end your crusade that Paul was a better player and he was robbed.

      • The game is a game for a reason. The objective of the game has always been to lie, to manipulate, to do whatever you have to do to outlast and win “the game”. That’s all this is, is a game, and you can’t honestly say Josh played the “better game”, cause the honest truth is he didn’t play it. Paul just played it too hard, and by default josh won

      • But making sure the jury does not hate you is also part of the game. Owning bad behavior or dirty game play is how others in the past have accomplished this. Paul just kept on lying rather than own his game. This caused a bitter jury & cost Paul the win.

      • the objective is not to lie and manipulate. the objective is to be in the final 2, where the jury can then vote for you or the other option. it is quite sad that a lot of society feels the same way you do. lying happens and is part of the game, but that is a conscious choice made by the players to lie or not.

      • Well said. Lying is a tool a player can use, but it’s not the “objective” of the game. Being straight up can work just as well and gain the respect of other HG too.

      • When Paul will not take credit for anything he did in the game, good or bad, he doesn’t deserve any credit! So, per Paul’s own words, he just followed to the others! He did nothing according to him so, why was he surprised that he lost? Josh owned everything he did good and bad so that, he deserved to win! Paul is just too arrogant and dumb for his own good! All he had to do is own it all up and tell the truth!

      • Except once he understood Paul’s game plan, he sabotaged him with his goodbye message to every evicted houseguest, knowing full well they would get to jury and discuss what he said. That was a masterful move.

      • He said it to 4 evicted house guests, and he included himself and Christmas in those same plans. He never fully went behind Paul’s back

      • Paul had no clue. Did you see his face when he watched those messages? It was indeed a masterful move by Josh. Have to give him credit there.

      • Watched Josh on The Talk today and honestly you gotta love that kid. He was just so happy and it looked like the ladies were enjoying him too. They gave him some pots and pans, one with his picture on it. Did you see it?

      • I did not, but I will youtube it later… ;) I did see a pic of him on twitter tho holding a couple of pans & yeah, one had his pic on it.

      • Yes and no .. I really liked him after Cody and Mark left . He was funnyyyyy .. but didn’t work like paul did . Overwhelming responses for this bb and picking the wrong one . I usually don’t like the person at the end who wins, but I did like Josh . Cody???? I will never understand that . He just not my pick of the crop and really didn’t play long enough to even say he was afp , that was just a bunch of bitter voters, and seems like they picked the ultimate bully !!!

    • Paul’s flaw in his seemingly flawless game was not taking responsibility on his role in their evictions earlier on. Surely he would’ve known that the jurors would be comparing notes and learning that they all had separate F3 deals with him.

      While telling Alex ahead of her eventual eviction that she was the next to go could be one attempt to not allow her be bitter, something happened and that plan backfired on him on finale night.

      The guy did have 4 votes for him to win and a vital vote from an ally such as her would have been pivotal in securing him the victory.

  136. As a viewer. This is my last season watching. I think years from now, after all the dust settles, and Big Brother is cancelled, people will look back this moment, and realise that this moment was the shark jumping moment for the show. After the emotions are over, and people no longer care, they will see that Paul was best player in years, and got robbed by a bunch of sore losers. And to cheat someone out of $450K, bc you’re a sore loser, just doesn’t sit right with me. Paul got screwed. Paul could’ve been sitting next to Hitler, and still lost, due to the level of irrational hate the jury had for Paul. Alex would been like “Yeah, Hitler killed 6 million jews, but Paul stabbed me in the back.”

    CBS has a very broken jury system. And they need to fix it. The jury house was created to stop juries from being bitter. Because that’s how Danielle lost in season 3. My suggestion would be to sequester all the jury members separately, or ha e no jury at all. Bc they jury no longer serves it’s intended purpose. It was never intended to be about bitterness. This is season 3 all o at again. I miss the days when the jury members knew that they had been duped, and respected the player for it. With this jury, Derrick would’ve lost.

    • The POINT of a jury is that it is a SUBJECTIVE vote. There is no right or wrong answer. Paul did not play a “flawless” game (which is pretty much impossible) and lost because of jury management. What you think is a ‘great’ game may not be what the person next to you defines as a ‘great’ game. That is the point.
      I’m someone who thought Paul did play a good game but his mistake in handling jury members prior to their eviction cost him the game.
      Brow beat me all you want for saying this but it seems like the ‘bitter’ people are fans of Paul who will no longer watch the show now. Boo hoo.

      • Sine you came back after a long hiatus, it only proves that there’s always a sure certainty of lapsed viewers coming back after a while such as what you did for BB16.

        Of course, there’s BBCAN and BBUK’s civilian edition next year. :)

    • If they were sequestered separately all they would have known is what Paul and Josh said to them directly. Paul: “I’m sorry you were evicted, I have no idea what happened! It was all Christmas and josh’s fault!” Josh: “I aligned myself with the vet, and Christmas to get to the end. I’m really a super – fan, pretended to be stupid, and used his experience and inside knowledge of the game to my advantage, and every eviction went the way I wanted it to.” Jurors: “Josh was the mastermind who outplayed the vet?!” Bitter votes: they hate Josh, and vote for Paul who was their friend that tried really hard to keep against josh’s plans, but failed. Game votes: Josh outplayed them all, including the vet who tried to help his friends, but Josh wouldn’t let him. So, I guess if they were sequestered separately, Paul actually would have benefited from a bitter jury.

  137. Omg go listen to the interviews from thebigtimeonline. The lady interviewing literally holds nothing back. She asked Jason about the Kevin comments and then asked Raven about the RavenExposed tweets 😂. It was hilarious

      • Jason said he already told Kevin about it and apologized profusely. Jason said he’ll spend the rest of his life apologizing to him, his family and Jason’s own family for the comments.

      • He already knew coz Vic kissed Nicole on stage right in front of Paul!! Guess Vic figured better just get it right there out in the open…like ripping off a mental band-aid for Paul! Or maybe Vic figured Paul had more reasons than him & Nic to be upset & decided that would be the best time to break the news. hehe

      • Really glad to hear that. One of My favorite moment of the season might have been Jason crying and hugging Alex when she showed up in jury after thinking She betrayed him. Was such a good moment. Hope Kevin can forgive him for a stupid stupid mistake.

      • Raven kind of stumbled and called everyone haters and then said that her mom actually isn’t in Mensa…but she could be tomorrow if she wanted to. And Jason had talked to Kevin about it and they’re good and celebrating New Years together. He sounded like he felt pretty bad…

    • Kevin is almost as annoying as Evil Dick. Kevin only parrots what others have to say. He lacks independent thinking and is full of himself.

      • It wasn’t too bad. Jason said that he knew and that he had talked to Kevin about it and that they’re good and he feels really bad. He answered it pretty good I thought

  138. I still can’t believe that cody voted for josh. Cody already said that Paul was the only one that had his back, then he turns around and votes for the person that bullied him and his girlfriend.
    I do believe cody has psychological issues, for sure.

  139. I am enjoying the butt sore people crying over Pauls losing as much as I enjoyed watching Paul lose last night. It’s hilarious. Paul losing brought dignity and integrity back to a BB season that saw some of the worst gamesmanship, worst game players and worst bullying in BB history. With the exception of Cody, Jessica and Mark, nobody else made any attempt to actually play the game they just slobbered over Paul and helped him run the house. I have never seen such a collection of worthless players, Matt being the worst of them all. Yes last night actually saved season 19 for me.

    • Well enjoy watching 16 Matt’s play next season. Bc now everybody will be scared to play Big Brother over fears of Lodi g to a bitter jury. If I was on BB20, I wouldn’t make any big moves. I would just sit my ass down, and eat cereal all day too. Bc then the jury would vote for me.

    • Worst season ever with the minions doing nothing but, kiss Paul’s butt. Amazing result when karma comes and hits Paul in the face! You cannot make it up that Paul in his arrogance will not take credit for all that he did in the game! That was the dumbest thing I ever saw! He did everything including, bullying Cody and then, refused to take credit for it? So, what did he do all season? Nothing if you base it on what he said that he just followed what the others wanted. So, he does not deserve any credit at all! Does Paul not see how stupid that is? Josh took credit for everything! Josh deserves to win because of it!

  140. The jury not only ruined this season, but so did the so-called “fans.” Not really so much here, there seems to be an older more mature audience here. But I’m places like reddit, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, the cans were just disgraceful. And I longer will call myself a “superfan” bc I do not want to be associated with those animals. And I really dont want to be associated with this show anymore. This season really taught me a valuable lesson. That the show I’ve been watching for the past 2 years is no longer big brother. It’s Big Bitter Sore Loser Jury. And to all you so-called “fans” who hated this season, guess whag, now nobody will ever try hard to win Big Brother e at again, because they will scared to lose to a bitter jury. So enjoy watching a bunch of Matt’s next season. Bc Mark my wprds. Nobody will be playing hard. Nobody will be making big moves.

    • uh no, Derrick and Dr. Will proved you can run a house without alienating a jury. Just takes some human decency…

      • No. This jury wouldn’t have voted for Derrick or Dr will. This jury was bitter beyond words. Only raven was the only one who actually understood that it was a game. Raven was the voice of reason, of all people.

      • You give me a break. Raven actually understood how the jury is suppose to vote. Stop replying to me. You do t get it. You’re as dumb as this jury.

    • The jury redeemed this season, but just barely. The final two were so unlikeable that everyone in my house didn’t want either to win.

      • That makes no sense. You vote for the best player. Not someone you were less butt hurt over. Even Dr Will couldn’t seem to explain that to them. Raven came out looking the best, as she voted correctly.

      • There are many factors in determining the “best player” and those factors vary depending upon the individual.

        Raven was the biggest idiot in the house and probably one of the biggest idiots outside of the house. There was no “correct” vote. There were just votes cast by players with differing opinions and varying criteria for what they consider to be the “best player”.

    • So, why not get rid of the jury, and give it to the player in the end with the most wins? What is the point of having a jury?

  141. Part of winning is “playing” the jury just right. Sorry, that IS part of the strategy in Survivor and Big Brother. Paul sucked at that, and lost. Boo hoo, get over it. That is the game, and Paul was bad at that aspect. Real bad.

  142. Ironically Paul might have lost by an unlikely thing, the Halting Hex! If Jessica doesn’t use the Hex and the house votes Cody out that night, he’s not on the jury and Jess is! Jess said she would have voted for Paul and Paul wins the half million! Isn’t that ironic?

    I also think that’s another reason why Jess and Cody are a horrible couple. They don’t share the same values.

      • That’s not how big brother works. Well I guess it does now. It’s not the same game anymore. They should just cancel the sgow. Derrick wouldn’t have even stood a chance against a jury this bitter.

      • It always works this way, on Survivor and BB. Handling people is part of the game. Paul fumbled there, and lost. Nobody hated Derrick — he played the jury right. To compare him to Paul — in jury management — is insane.

      • They were bitter because he didn’t “play” them right. That is part of the game, always. Lying to the end to many people is BAD jury management. Sorry, it is vital to “work” jurors right.

      • He had no control over that. Christmas evicted Kevin. And if Cody and Elena, who hated Josh, would vote for Josh over Paul they certainly would have voted for Kevin over Paul.

    • When Cody was the first in jury, I did read that Cody being in the jury could be a bad thing for Paul. Yep. Another “strategic” by Paul — HE chose to let Cody in jury instead of Jess. Paul blew many aspects of the game, and lost. See Russell Hantz.

      • Paul didn’t have a choice when it came to Cody vs. Jess in the jury. Paul wanted to vote out Cody when it was Cody vs. Jess but Jess hex’ed that eviction. Then the following week, Cody won the Temptation Challenge so he won safety and won his spot on the jury angering Paul and everyone else in the house (including Cody himself!)

  143. CBS / Alison made a mistake putting Paul back into the house. This should NEVER had happen. Not only did she make Paul the a 2 time Loser but everyone else who was there to play the game COULD NOT because of the 3 week immunity CRAP that Alison snuck in there.
    When CBS starts to publish these “cast your votes” then we will see how sided it is. One person ONE VOTE This is not the GOP Presidential Election here.

    • I don’t know if you have been reading the posts here all season- but this topic has been brought up and discussed to death probably 500 times…

  144. its funny in the interviews w/Rob cody keeps going on how he is not a victim but jess’s continued line is that they were victims… I think they are just ridiculous.
    The thing w/members voted out before jury and heading back out using their social media to influence things has kind of changed the game up – at least with the AFP vote.
    It has been an interesting season to watch the evolution of this game as well.. not sure where it will go

    I did enjoy Rob telling Alex to leave Survivor alone… good one Rob!

  145. If Paul plays again i will cut it off. Can’t help it if Paul & CBS lost their game. But i will turn it off if Paul plays again. I cut off football and i’ll cut BB. As much as i love them both.

  146. Just watched the Raven segment on the podcast LOL she has no idea that the host is making fun of her poor girls she is truly delusional

  147. Many of the jurors claimed to be superman. Obviously they aren’t at all. Paul manipulated everyone but they still trusted him and liked him until they were evicted. Was he supposed to keep them all in the house? The point of the game is to do what he did, and he did it well! I didn’t like Dr. Will when he played but he deserved to win and did. The jurors were a bunch of babies and sore losers. Kind of like playing monopoly… winning but everyone is mad at you. They shouldn’t have even have played. They were like a bunch of three year olds sitting around crying especially Alex. I wish they could choose contestants that really would play the game as intended. It felt like another wasted season with the wrong person winning.

  148. I don’t like the way Paul played, but he played a better game. I think people (especially Cody) voted out of spite rather then who played the game better.

    Josh did the right move to win though, taken christmas with him would have giving her the win with how this jury voted.

    • It sounded like Cody, mark, elaina, Jason and Alex had a pact. I think they made up their mind well before the finale. When Cody said he was a man of his word while casting his vote was letting the others know to vote for josh.
      I have to say what a disrespectful douche paul was when jury was asking questions and during Josh’s answers Paul is pointing to himself, shaking his head, giving the camera weird looks. He just doesn’t know when to stop

      • Or on the scales when Julie declared josh the winner, paul was already going “you’re taking me, you’re taking me….josh didn’t even have 1 second to digest what just happened and paul is already on him

      • I missed that! The whole season Paul was in everyone’s ear at crucial moments telling them what to do… he was the puppet master. I’m just glad it bit him in the a$$ in the end!

  149. Paul miscalculated big time, but nobody realized, not even him, until it was too late.
    There was something that should have clued me in about what it was about to happen :Josh won R3. Paul had easily dominated Josh on mental/memory competitions, he remembered quite well what had happened. But R3 was not about remembering what happened, but about knowing what was important to the other HGs. Paul barely got any right.

    Paul had spent so much time learning about how to manipulate the HGs that he didn’t get to learn about them. That was a symptom that he wouldn’t know how to answer the jury questions, and that his speech would be off-mark. Some HGs were about gameplay, but some about personal betrayal, and he didn’t acknowledge that. And that, i think, made him lose what should have been his.

    • Exactly, if he would have said “Cody you were smart to try to get me out I knew you were coming after me and that didn’t work for my gameplay therefore I had to work to get you and Jessica out.” Then he would have been the winner…

    • No to two-time losers. After people watch how he played Big Bully, he stands even less of a chance in the future.

  150. Currently saw the end of season, what can I say? I feel bad for Paul, he played a good game… but man, what an atrocious jury management, his answers and his expressions were painful to see. I kind of glad that Josh won (still not being my favorite hg of the season), honestly I felt impressed with his answers, not the best winner, but I’m glad that he beat Paul and the production (besides that, the Paul’s reaction, priceless!). About the jury, yeah, they were bitter, but common’ the way that this season was played… My final toughts on each houseguest:
    -Megan: I kinda feel bad for her, on a gameplayer level not my favorite, but she seems to be a nice girl.
    -Cameron: I hope he comes back (on an All-Stars season, please stop with the mix newbies/vets), he has potential.
    -Jillian: Who?
    -Dominique: I can’t say a lot of things about her, personal level she seems to be nice, gameplay…
    -Ramses: I can’t remember nothing about him, even Jillian has her moment for be on the block with 4 different houseguests. But at least he seems to be a good kid.
    -Jessica: Insist, bring her back (on an All-Stars season), she has a lot of potential, and please, without Cody.
    -Cody: He had some not cool moments, but at leat was the most real houseguest, I guess.
    -Elena and Mark: Love both them, probably not the best players, but looking the whole rodeo they were two of the most decent houseguests this season, personally I want to see them playing a second time, it looks like they learn from their mistakes.
    -Matthew: The biggest deception of this season.
    -Jason: Not my favorite, not the most hated, just meh.
    -Raven: I hope don’t have to see her on tv again, she’s just… Before I start to unleashed my rage, next!
    -Alex: Meh!
    -Kevin: Probably one of the most decent houseguests of the season, he has some game, not the best, but I still like him as a person.
    -Christmas: Like the jury said, probably her best move was her foot, personally she’s the other biggest deception of this season, and not for her accident, her attitude.
    -Paul: CBS, please, please, please, DON’T BRING BACK HIM! And looking his interview with Rob, sorry, but I don’t have much respect for him… Good gameplayer, but extremely arrogant.
    -Josh: Mixed feelings, still not being happy with a lot of his moments, but he won me a bit with his answers.

    • Nicely said. Although, I think Dominique could have been a better player had she left off with the cryptic & the “God is on my side” speeches… She recognized Paul was a snake early on too.

    • I agree about Matt, what a disappointment! 👎🏼we’d be here all night talking about raven. 😄

  151. NBC smashed CBS last night.
    America`s got Talent – 15.64 millions viewers.
    Big Brother – 6.70 millions

    • Hi Lanza. 6 Million still seems like good numbers for modern day Broadcast TV. Would that be good enough to keep renewing?

      • As a summer show, those numbers plus stable demo numbers are still reason enough to keep the show longer.

        With that said, it is also a reason for CBS to not change anything fundamental about BB.

      • Idk. The ratings continue to drop from the good old days of BB. This season is up from last year, but that’s not saying anything since BB 18 had the lowest ratings of any season in BB history. So far throughout the season BB 19 has not done as well as BB 16 in the ratings…it’s averaged about 6.1 million viewers where BB 16 averaged 6.4 for the entire season.

        However, those numbers are still good enough to keep the show & I don’t think it’s in any danger of being cancelled.

      • It’s expected as the show age and viewers continue to migrate to other platforms to watch their shows, especially CBS All-Access. A panic button will only be pushed if the drop off over the course of a single season is as steep as it was in Season 1.

      • Exactly. However, I think some of those ratings dropping might be due to fans who do not like new skool BB and want to see some old skool BB come back. Food comps…luxury comps, etc… not so much production interference… If they did these things, I theorize the ratings could pick back up again. JMO, but why not give it a try? It cannot get any worse than BB 18, which averaged less than 5.5 million viewers a week throughout it’s season.

        06/26/2016 1.60 -11.11%† 5.451 -1.96%†
        Sun 07/03/2016 1.40 -12.50% 4.730 -13.23%
        Sun 07/10/2016 1.70 21.43% 5.671 19.89%
        Sun 07/17/2016 1.80 5.88% 5.851 3.17%
        Sun 07/24/2016 2.00 11.11% 6.347 8.48%
        Sun 07/31/2016 1.70 -15.00% 5.874 -7.45%
        Sun 08/07/2016 1.60 -5.88% 5.246 -10.69%
        Sun 08/14/2016 1.80 12.50% 5.599 6.73%
        Sun 08/21/2016 1.90 5.56% 5.947 6.22%
        Sun 08/28/2016 2.10 10.53% 6.762 13.70%
        Sun 09/04/2016 1.40 -33.33% 5.150 -23.84%
        Sun 09/11/2016 1.80 28.57% 6.213 20.64%
        Fri 09/16/2016 1.20 -33.33% 4.595 -26.04%
        -100.00% -100.00%
        #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
        #DIV/0! #DIV/0!
        -100.00% -100.00%
        Season averages 1.69 -13.21% 5.451 -10.64%

      • On 19 years,6-7 million viewers looks good to me and CBS loves this show,doesn’t cost that much to produce as regular shows.

    • Ahahahaha ! I hope cbs really looks into this game and finds out that casting certain types of people is a bad thing !!!

  152. Who gives a BLEEP about Paul anyway? He is an egotistical, arrogant, bullying jerk. Never has a more deserving person lost — at anything. Goodbye, Paul.

  153. The jury was bitter, but not as bitter as the people who voted for Cody for AFP. Cody played a poor game, starting with his first HOH where he said that he was nominating Meghan because he disliked her. He acted like a brat in jury. His hatred of Paul was beyond reason. To vote for him for AFP, only to send a message to production that you didn’t like Paul is a waste. Cody is a bitter, petty little man and my only hope for him is that he use his undeserved money to get some mental help. There were times that he scared me. I feel sorry for Jessica. She threw away her game to hook up with someone with emotional problems. Cody had no respect for the game and neither do the people who voted for him.

    • Omg, some guy just had a meltdown cause I said that about cody. For sure he has mental issues! I know cause I’m a psych nurse and I deal with people like him all the time!
      He was like, blah, blah, cody serviced his country, blah, blah, honorable discharge, blah, blah.
      Yes, I’ve thanked cody a dozen times for his service, but that does not mean that he doesn’t need to visit the psych ward for a few months.

      • Are you saying the guy has mental issues because he said Cody serviced his country and got an honorable discharge?

      • I’m pretty sure that I know what I do everyday. All nurses diagnosis and tell doc what’s going on.
        I never said I was a psychistrist. Check yourself and your comprehension.
        I’m loving this

      • You’re mistaken. Nurses do not diagnose. Nurses report symptoms. You should know that. But you don’t. Accusing a reality tv star of needing to be in a psych ward for a few months because you don’t like him surpasses snark and crosses the line, ESPECIALLY if you “consider yourself” a psychiatric professional.

      • Omg
        Comprehension!
        Once again I’ll say it…
        Just because I don’t like Him DOES NOT!!! Mean he should be in a psych ward
        Get it yet?
        Heck, I’m happy he won fan favorite! Happy, understand that word?

      • You obviously do not work in mental health. Nurses diagnose, treat, spend their time with patients.
        and I agree with you Surrender! I thought that of him since the first week. His temper, the way he talks at times, his ability to disconnect at the drop of a hat are major signs of a mental disorder of some sort.

      • Listen man, when you spend years around consumers, learning new HIPPA laws, state laws, caring for the life of others who cant, or just being a outlet to people who are misunderstood by the world youll probably be able to understand that iut does not take a peace of paper, a certification, to be able to tell when something/someone just aint right.

      • Yes, from the start he creeped me out .. his eyes , the zombie stare and his reactions just made him look unstable. Out of the house he may be a lot diff , he’s just morn good in social settings ?

      • Nurses basically do all the work, doctors just come in after and agree to what the nurse said, here’s ur pills .. walk away … the nurse is actually around the patients more then doctors . I ❤️ Nurses !! My friend is a nurse and she’s awesome . We need more nurses!! ❤️

    • “Cody had no respect for the game and neither do the people who voted for him.” I’m going to disagree with you on this. The people who voted for Cody voted against a puppet master who had no respect for either the game or his housemates. I’ll take a loyal Cody a million times over a backstabbing wuss who had everyone else do his dirty work.

      • Cody was a total jerk on BB and you know he was and one of the worst players in BB history,sorry but having the personality of the “Unabomber” does not help you win BB,gets you evicted.

      • Yes, he was a jerk. But name one of the Season 19 HGs who could not be called a jerk. But I’m not going as far as to say he was one of the worst players in BB history. He wasn’t in the house long enough for me to be able to say that honestly.

      • The difference with Cody was the anger level,this guy walked around like a ticking time bomb ready to explode at any moment.

      • They voted for Cody because they were disgusted by Paul’s game play and wanted to reward the only person in the BB house who had the courage to stand up to him.

      • He just mad that they couldn’t get Paul out but got him out . That’s wayyy personal . He’s a twit. Plain and simple.

    • Agree . Pretty messed up , but !!! They were followers, and they were too dim to think for themselves, a anti paul pact because Cody didn’t like him so you poison the other voters. That’s really going beyond what is should be , and same in house .. they said he went beyond what he needed to , ummm but was ok for y’all to decide his fate cause of one horrible , vile, disgusting sore punk .

  154. A jury pact? That is infuriating as a loyal BB fan for nineteen years. Cody’s hate for Paul ruined the whole season and the ending.

    • I guess it depends on what you wanted to happen. For people like me, who can’t stomach Paul, this season was horrible, boring and predictable. So the finale saved the season for me, because I really don’t like Paul.
      If you are a Paul fan, than you loved this season but the ending was really horrible.
      Oh well, it is what it is.

    • Inside the BB house that’s called an alliance. In the jury house, it’s called a jury pact. Only difference was, the jury pact stayed loyal to the decision. If I had to choose, I’d rather work with the jurors.

    • Totally agree,Cody poisoned the whole house and led this ‘cabal’ and couldn’t even bother to thank America for the 25,000..for a moment it looked like he wanted to slug Will last night,he just can’t handle the truth.

  155. It’s funny how everyone is saying Paul got what he deserved because “he didn’t own
    his distasteful game play”. Well, if these people watched the same BB I
    watched, Paul is not the only one who didn’t own their dirty play. I have yet
    to hear ANY of the HG, who were angry with Paul’s gameplay and therefore
    decided to not give him their vote, own up to their OWN dirty play. Alex (with
    her fake crying in the house, and then have the nerve to say on final night
    that “fake crying is not lying”), Cody, Mark, Jason, and Elena,
    played the same game Paul played. I didn’t see either one of them hug and kiss
    Dominique, Cameron, Jillian, Ramses, and we won’t even go there with Megan and
    the horrible way she was treated which made her voluntarily leave BB, when they
    were evicted from the house via lying, backstabbing, harassment, and bullying
    by the EXACT same people crucifying Paul “not owning up to his
    gameplay”. If you think back to the game when Alex was still in the house,
    Paul and a one-on-one with Alex and he told her he couldn’t carry her on any
    further with him because she was a strong player and he told her he would not vote
    to keep her in the house. Everyone did and said some distasteful things in the
    house to jeopardize someone else’s game play…why Paul is the only one who
    should own up to it. Jury should let Dominique, Cameron, Jillian, Rameses, and
    Megan know how them schemed and lied to get them out of the house. Let’s ALL
    come clean!!!

    • And dont forget the way Alex treated Kevin for no good reason. Even in the jury segment she was so freaking disgusting towards him. Jessicas filthy mouth when talking behind others. Elena being a floater, going back and forth. Soooo much they all did, with the exception of Jason and Kevin, they all were rude and scary people.

    • Because they weren’t the ones giving a speech asking for everybody to vote to give them $500k. That’s what the after show interviews are for, and they don’t get anything more based on their answers. If Paul made a better case to the jury, he might have gotten another vote.

      • The could own not to their game play by not being hypocrites. The can’t fault Paul with their votes for doing the things they did only he did it better. I think Dr. Will called them out in his own subtle way. Paul played the game of Big Brother. He played all of them and they didn’t like it but as Raven said, its Big Brother, not Big Baby. Will called them sore losers and that is exactly what they are.

        What did Josh do to deserve this win? Nothing Paul didn’t tell him to do. if not for Paul Josh would have been gone early in the game. Every one forgot how Josh took that gold apple to save himself the first week. That was a pretty sleazy move by Josh and should have gotten him evicted – except Paul was there to protect him.

      • Cody made sure IF Paul got to the end he would lose .. even in JURY they couldn’t f’in use their own brain they had to follow Cody !!! It’s a huge upset. I like Josh , I’m glad he won , but Paul deserved it. Hoping they have an all star and he will come back one more time .

      • That’s how ridiculous this whole season was, Josh should have been gone for that stupid move, and Dr. Will said that Miss “GPA: dance” was the only voice of reason. What did Josh do to deserve this win? He explained it himself: he hid that he was a super – fan, he acted like a big stupid meatball, did all of the dirty work for his team, and used Paul’s experience in the game for his own advantage. Dr. Will also said when he asked who draws the line of how far they can take a lie, and he said he liked Jason’s answer that the jury does. Their bad game play put them in the jury, not the final 2, and I think that speaks for itself. Paul can point the finger back at them all he wants that they participated in his mob, but their shot at the win was over. Paul was the one that needed to explain why he deserved to win, but he failed at that, and Josh did a better job pleading his case to the jury.

      • Paul made Josh the winner by not owning his own strategy but lying about it. In all likelihood he would have gotten one more vote if he had owned it but just like last season his arrogance got him beat by a floater.

    • Paul and Josh are the only ones who should have owned up to their game play – there was $500,000 on the line for them. Paul never did own up to his; Josh did, and got rewarded for it.

      • Nope .. that jury was bitter and childish , Cody being the ring leader .. he didn’t make it in the house but he was gonna make sure he owned that jury !! So didn’t matter if paul sat around and did nothing the rest of game , Cody was anti paul the sec he stepped in . Awful , awful people !!!!

      • So who exactly is “awful, awful people”? Cody ruled the jury house and Paul ruled the BB house. They hated each other and, in the end, Cody and his minions bested Paul and his. They each played the game in their own way.

      • Maybe the puppet master should have thrown a veto to allow josh or Christmas to keeps noms the same and send Alex home. He made the crucial mistake of showing his hand a week to early to a very emotional player who has 2 jury votes since Jason just goes with her. He played the game perfect up until that point and once his hand was shown it allowed emotion to creep in. Then instead of reeling that emotion in he lied to the faces of the jury when answering questions when they all knew he was lieing and that is what sealed his fate.

      • Exactly. Paul fans would never admit the fact that Paul messed it up when it mattered when he continued to lie and lose credibility! The game was over. There was no need to lie and deflect but, Paul still lied! Too dumb to comprehend! So, he in effect said, hey I did nothing in the Big Brother House, did not make any moves or stabbed anyone in the back, absolutely, just followed what everyone wanted! So, why should Paul get $500,000 when he did nothing per his own words? He could have flipped Alex’s vote had he told the truth but, he lied to the very end!

    • He needs to own up to it because he was asked about it from the jury before the vote and lied. They all know it’s part of the game but when confronted about it admit it. As for the others they aren’t the ones sitting there with a chance at $500,000 he is, so when asked about bullying and backstabbing don’t lie come out and admit it was a game I needed to play and explain why. Doing that at least earns you some respect but to lie when all 9 of them know you are and then expect them to change their minds in your favor is ridiculous.

      • It would not have mattered , if they really had a “pact” thanks to Cody he was never going to win. They are the jurors and can vote for whoever , but it was very personal and they have every right to vote that way , but no one can think that Paul didn’t play the best, I hope they bring him back at some point and w maybe few other vets. kinna felt like Josh was gonna win after Alex said what she said . She was one of the worst ones in the house, that vote cost him the game . Cody .. bless him , he obviously doesn’t handle losing well .

      • Yes. But part of the game is winning the acceptance of your peers in the end. From the second week you could easily tell this was a very emotional group as well as very easy to manipulate. Knowing that you have to expect them to vote with emotion come jury which they did. Cody had every right to do what he did because Paul made it very personal with him and Jess in the house. It’s not a matter of sore losing it’s treating people they way you were treated. If Paul stuck to it as a game with them Cody wouldnt have been out to get him. The biggest move however was josh in the eviction messages basically crumbling all the hard work Paul tried doing to build jury cred. Paul knew the jury might vote on emotion which is why he did everything possible to stay blood free but josh undermining that in those messages showed his true colors and he should have openly admitted those colors to the jury when asked questions about them but he continued to lie and that is when I think his fate was set.

    • You are wrong. Josh owned up to all he did! All Paul needed to do was own up to all the did. He could have said, sorry guys, I ordered you to bully Cody, lied and made empty promises while, I moved to evict you, etc. Yet, he chose to lie and say, well that was what the majority wanted! If that is the case, he in effect said, he did nothing in the Big Brother House except, follow the wishes of the others so, why should he win that $500,000? See, he perjured himself and the jury would have figured out he was lying anyways! Too dumb for his own good! Josh owned up to everything including the bad things so, he deserved it because the owned up to it!

  156. Was so nice seeing that the great puppet master (Paul) got himself puppetted by the one who won the game (Josh-actually one of his own puppets). Good for him. Only sad he got to final 2.

    • Arrogant arrogant arrogant. To the end he was convinced he had played them but both seasons he has made critical mistakes in judging people. You can win if you deceive and backstab …..BUT you have to own it in the end.

  157. Such a bunch of babies and sore losers! Did they not understand that it was a game and not a summer vacation! Josh cried his way to the end and shouldn’t have won anything, Paul and Christmas deserved it more and also earned it more!

    • Paul maybe, but Christmas should have been gone as soon as she found out she needed surgery. CBS
      should never have allowed her to vote from her hospital bed. IMO

  158. I get Cody and Mark voting Josh. They were harassed by the Paul mob. Even Elena.

    Alex and Jason got burned by their own stupidity.

    Raven and Grain Brain were just automatons preprogrammed to vote Paul.

    Kevin … got 25K for doing nothing.

    But … Paul simply didn’t bother to minimize the impact of Alex’s and Jason’s eviction. If he had it’d be a different story.

    • After listening to the jury I don’t think it mattered. Alex seemed to think everyone should let her win. Elena thinks she is some kind of genius and how dare anyone fool her. Mark is just a big baby and Jason probably just went along with Alex because that’s what he does.

      I was shocked at how bitter Alex was at Paul. Honestly, she did look like a bitter sore loser just as Dr. said.

    • I don’t think it would have mattered , as soon as Cody was gone he already had his sights on anyone over Paul , that is a crap and coward move . He deserved nothing! 0 .. he did deserve his bald gf tho

      • Alex left the game and said she would vote for Paul and convince Jason to do so, but things went opposite. So was Cody able to do in Jury what he couldn’t do in the house?

      • Seems so . She seemed ok when it was shown , once ? They all had a go and she again said it was just a game or that’s how it is .. but something changed and his name is Cody !! He changed the jury .. cept the few that knew it was a game and vote that way and not personal . Maybe they haven’t watched bb before , or paul was just that good. I’m with evel Dick on this one , I’ve never seen so many ppl wanting someone to lose so bad not because they wanted the other to win, just wanted the one to lose !! That’s bad .. hoping that same coupled up mentality doesn’t enter bb again .

  159. I sent a request to CBS for clarification about the rumor that was going around that only subscribers to CBS All Access would have their AFP votes counted. It’s late, but here’s the response I received from CBS today:

    Thank you for contacting CBS All Access. We’re sorry for any confusion. Once
    you’ve voted 20 times, a message appears stating that you’ve reached the maximum
    number of votes for the day. You won’t see a countdown after each vote, but rest
    assured, the site accurately tracks your votes.

    It’s easy and fun to vote, and the rules are simple:
    – You [anyone, All Access subscriber or not] can vote up to 20 times per day
    – Once you’ve hit the 20-vote limit, a message appears stating you’ve reached the maximum number of votes for the day
    – You won’t see a countdown, but the site accurately tracks the total number of votes you’ve cast each day
    – Voting closes Wednesday, Sept 20 at 9:59am PT
    That’s it!

    Regards,
    CBS Support Team
    In other words, rumors that only All Access subscribers would have their votes counted was untrue.

  160. Paul played a great game, but he forgot to include the jury in his game play! The jury is the biggest part of the game! They decide who wins. So I would have to say the win goes to Josh!

    • This was long decided before last night,did not matter how or what Paul said last evening period,even a blind person can see that…

      • Hi Hep, has anyone said how long before the end of the game the “jury pact” was created? I know it was started by Cody, but do you have any idea when?

      • I went over to Twitter and read thru Clio the Leo’s column. Here’s a bit more:
        bende lagua‏ @rasyak26 13h13 hours ago
        @ArmstrongTaran Most revealing RHAP interview was the pact made by jury Cody, Mark, Elena, Jason & Alex that they won’t let Paul win no matter what!

      • On way to manage this would be to sequester each evicted HG for 3-4 days alone after they leave the game. Give them time to decompress and get a little space with no game exposure whatsoever. They would then cast their vote and go home. No jury house, no pacts, nada. They barely even show the jury anyway.

      • So you think that the jurors should vote based on only what they knew when they were evicted and they don’t have a right to know the truth? The jury is part of the game.

      • Just throwing out different ideas. You’re right, I was wondering what would happen if people voted based on their own experiences, their own knowledge of other HG, and their own intuition. Not really sure how that could really happen other than individual sequestraton, but then they could shorten the game up too. Mostly, I’m with the group who believes that game needs a shake up or two.

      • They should have 8 jurors and
        America as the 9th juror, or like they did in BBOTT, America picks the winner. IMO

      • I like America getting one vote, but not picking the winner. The jury should still have a voice. Now, picking mature, intelligent HG? That’s another matter.
        Also, one huge difference is that BBOTT feeds were live 24/7. As it is, we get fewer feeds every year, and even then, they are heavily censored. Since we now know there was a jury pact weeks before the game ended, it explains why we were denied much knowledge of anything related to jury.

    • I really thought he would have owned up to all in what he did. I think it’s a LOT messed up that fckin Cody was such a loser he made a “anyone” but paul ? Fck that guy . That’s the worst type of player. Bring him back , naw .. think Paul can give a big ol FU !!

    • The other 33% either didn’t watch the show or hate Paul so much they can’t bring themselves to admit he deserved to win. For BB history, Josh will always be the winner. Its an embarrassment to the game.

      I am sure Dr. Will, who only lied and back-stabbed his way to a BB victory is thinking how lame those who think Paul should not have won really are.

  161. Dr. Will hit the nail on the head in the round table discussion when he said the jury were sore losers. That is exactly what they were particularly Cody, Alex, Elena and Mark.

    It was funny how Raven, Matt and Jessica were the only ones who used common sense rather than emotion. Jessica said it best. Paul was involved in every move in the house since wee 2. Every nomination, eviction and even comp winners were all controlled by Paul. No one in BB history has controlled the entire house as much as Paul did – by himself really. Not even Derrick had as much control of the house. f not for Paul, Meatball would have gone home early and probably multiple other times as well. Josh and Christmas were never threatened because of Paul.

    This argument about jury management is just an excuse for sore losers to behave like sore losers.

    I also thought it was funny when Cody said him winning AFP made no sense. An honest man but even he knew he didn’t deserve AFP.

  162. Paul lost for 2 reasons one he should have thrown the veto comp that sent Alex home allowing him to maintain no blood on his hands. Right there sways her vote and Jason’s. However the real reason I think he lost was when answering the questions from the jury he was still hiding behind his game and lieing. Come clean about all the back stabbing admit you had to play the game that way becuse you had the biggest target in the beginning. Admit you had josh go crazy to stir the pot and paint a bigger target on his back so you could lay low a few weeks. Instead he answered them with his giant ego and fed the jurors what he thought they needed to hear problem was his time they had all been lied to and back stabbed to buy his BS one more time. Paul deserved to win but josh put up a fight and won when he needed to, and in the end when you play with people emotions on the scale Paul did it can come back to bite you and it did.

  163. So, a lot of posters seem to be angry because Cody did to Paul what Paul did to Cody and all the other evicted houseguests. Why be angry? Paul manipulated his “friends” to evict the target of the week. Then Cody apparently talked four other members of the jury into voting against Paul. What goes around comes around. (And if Paul is such a great game player, why didn’t he see Cody’s jury move coming?)

  164. Big Brother must spend a huge amount of time looking for girls with doormat written on their foreheads and and little boys with big chips on their shoulders. It is a pity such shallow immature bitter babies were chosen to play with a real man.

  165. From the beginning I thought Josh was so obnoxious and loud – I almost stopped watching but being the people person I am I had to watch it. I actually didn’t like most of them this time. I think Paul got screwed over by the jury – he played everyone.

  166. I can’t even begin to believe Paul lost. He won! He clearly won. Those bozos were jealous and envious and extremely bitter that they were had. They could NOT be objective voters! Plus how in God’s name did CODY win????? That guy is a real low life with NO PERSONALITY WHATSOEVER!!!!

    • Paul lied repeatedly and his final plea was just more lies, he didn’t own up to his actions. Sandra from Survivor could teach him a thing about jury management. He is far to egotistical to win.

    • Ummm. . . . maybe you missed the show last night. Paul lost. His ego got the better of him and he forgot to manage the jury by lying to them in his DR good-byes and with jury Q&A.

      You can play harder than anyone else and win more comps than anyone else.. . .but if you forget basic respect human relations skills and piss of jury members. . . you’re going to lose.

      It’s called respect. You need to respect people when asking them to reward you with $500k. Paul forgot that part.

    • He threw away an almost certain victory by blatantly lying to the jury in his final comments. He threw away a chance to explain his gameplay and continued to play the jury as fools. You could see afterwards when he found out from Julie that Josh had revealed the truth in his messages. At that point Paul realized they knew he was still lying to them.

    • Played to dirty, and didn’t manage the feelings of the people who went to jury, like it, or not that is part of the game too.

  167. I did not like Paul’s game. Matter of fact, I didn’t like this entire season. But at the end of the day, I want to see the person who played the best game win it all. Like it or not, that person was Paul. While I didn’t want him to make it to the end, if he did, I wanted him to win. And because the Jury couldn’t let go of their personal feelings, they gave the 500k to a glorified lapdog.

    A pathetic end to a pathetic season.

  168. You hve to think of every angle of the game, including the social angle. Paul obviously did not realize or care that he was burning bridges and his “social” game was going to bite him in the ass in the end. Maybe they should bring him back , third time’s a charm? Don’t think so. Lesson learned for future HGs from Paul’s not so flawlless game play. Have to have the jury on your side to win BB. Jurors have lots of free time to discuss amongst each other what happened before they got evicted. Duh! Look how far Kevin got on pretty much all social play, did not win one competition.

  169. pauls plan was brilliant to take him to f2, but he needed an additional plan to take him to the win. that is where he got ahead of himself (again). as if the game was over at f2. it really was poor planning if he thought this plan was a true winner. he can’t admit that his game had that major flaw, so again he blames everyone but himself. he’s thin skinned

    • I think you nailed it. Plus, he underestimated Joss who slipped those messages in to let the evicted HGs know about the final 3 deal he had and the fact that Paul was behind the evictions. Plus, Joss, who I despised during the game, actually seemed sincere (though misguided) in his answers. Personally I think he won because the HGs were pissed that Paul lied in his answers to them when he had a chance to apologize and explain that his deceit was part of the game rather than denying any deceit at all.

      • Loved it when Julie showed Josh’s GB Messages. The look on Paul’s face. After the messages he called Josh a coward. Paul was upset Josh
        blew up his game and exposing his lies.

    • Paul is thinned skin ???? And Cody wasn’t .. ahahahaha .. he’s the biggest coward of them all . He couldn’t even put aside his hate for a game . He made a pact w jurors and that’s the only reason Paul lost … because Cody was thin skinned and bitter to the end, and probabky cause he didn’t have his bald bride in jury . It was absolutely the worst outcome ever by a bunch of butt hurt babies that cant admit they look stupid . Paul won . I will remember him, not anyone else. They were paul’s sheep in the house and then codys sheep .. didn’t have one brain between them all . 🙄

      • Paul lost because he continued to lie instead of owning his moves. I respect honesty over someone lying to me any day!

      • Exactly. . . .. that’s how most people feel. At that point in the game. . . tell them the truth and own why you did.

        That’s why I really don’t understand the viewers that say “Paul was robbed” and “Paul deserved to win”. Lying in the DR messages and continuing to lie in a F2 jury Q&A is disrespectful. It’s insulting. Especially when you’re asking those same people to reward you with $500k.

      • That’s how I feel about it as well. I would have voted the same way if someone CONTINUED to undermine my integrity. Own it. Paul played hard. The moves he made got him to the end. But blatantly lying cost him, I think. Who knows. This was such a controversial season and I am glad that it is put to rest! 😁

      • Same here. Paul did not manage the jury properly so they were bitter. Had he owned his game and maybe showed some remorse for some of his tactics this season, he might have turned a few of those votes around. You cannot play a game of personal attacks all season & then not expect the jury to be “personally” mad.

      • So true,even today people are still making excuses for one of the most sullen and angriest players in BB history,Cody..he was a disgrace to the game.

    • You’re right lady. He blames everyone but himself. He can’t see his flaws in his game. He said he didn’t watch himself last season either. Another bad move imo. If that were me, and I’d lost 500K, I would want to go back & examine my game with a microscope to see where I went wrong. However, b/c Paul cannot admit he does any wrong…I do not believe he will ever fix his fatal flaw of not understanding how to manage the jury.

      • I love that pic of her too. She should have been using that one all along.
        Makes me feel proud of my self!

      • Forum filled with your comments. The block button is a wonderful tool. Best of luck in your life. Blocked in 3 2 1.

      • Lmao. Good riddance to a weak woman. I had ya’ll blocked last night, but had to see your trolling action once again.
        You’re the first person that has ever Blocked me. I’m proud of you since you have no clue of me.
        Btw, hopefully you won’t come to any of the sites I mod. Ha, your weak butt won’t know what hit ya.
        Waaa, I got blocked. My feelings are hurt. Ha!

      • LOL! Ahh, I see we both changed our pics. :) I finally put an actual pic of myself here Alf coz I was tired of being called sir! hahaha You have a beautiful day too my friend.

  170. I have never seen a jury so bent on vengence. Petty, small minded and blinded by their own personal lack of will in game. Every person that played on Big Brother gave Paul the win but then voted him out in the end when he wasn’t their personal “best friend”. Josh you never played the game, you floated and were saved, and Paul kept you through to the end…Paul lost the game because he did not read Josh’s cowardess. He did not see that Josh’s strategy was being a tattle tale. Sorry Paul…Hoping $500k comes your way in another way!

    • Not petty or small minded to deny him the win specifically because he lied through the whole finale when he had a chance to turn them his way in his last comments.

    • Paul lost because he didn’t just get people evicted, but he had to stick it to them too, and he got others to bully people because he wasn’t man enough to do it himself!

    • Paul lost because he had a one-dimensional, single/faceted strategy that did not flex with the game or manage all the variables. All the best chess moves don’t win the game if you don’t take the Queen. You can’t see that? You win when you get the Queen ($500,000). When your opponent takes the Queen you don’t get to claim victory because your moves leading up to that point we’re better. Geesh.

  171. As Evel Dick said on his feed, managing the jury is part of winning the game. Paul did not manage the Jury but surprisingly, Josh did, by slipping those messages in to those last few jury members who turned Alex who had said she would vote for Paul. It is to be expected that Jury members (really in every reality show of this type) are somewhat bitter. Sometimes they lash back at the finalists and sometimes the finalist with the most skill can convince them to vote for him/her. Unfortunately, Paul probably lost votes by continuing to lie right in their faces about whether he controlled the bullying when they already knew the truth. His downfall was continuing to lie through the finale.

  172. I had to watch Paul lose to Josh a couple of times, it was so awesome.
    Cody deserved AFP, how they treated him, and Jessica was repulsive, and juvenile, plus Cody could be pretty funny at times!

  173. Paul earned the win, no question. The people who voted to screw him over because he outplayed, outsmarted and outmaneuvered them are poor losers and would have made poor winners. They got schooled, and in so doing proved why they were members of the jury. Pathetic.

  174. Paul lost because he is such a D-Bag to people, “behind their back” because he lacks the guts to bang his own stupid pans!

  175. Well folks all the HG and the execs at CBS have already had their finale dinner. The zing must have softened already which is a good thing for everyone.

    Playing BB is no piece of cake. Josh keeps taking about how he was so strategic and that’s why he won. Well tbh Josh, no. That is not why you won. You won because nobody appreciated Paul’s game.

  176. Paul couldn’t own up to his own game and continues to be hairsplitting about it post-season. Flat out lying in his GBMS added insult to injury in thinking the recepients were gullible enough to keep drinking the Paul-Aid after their time in jury house. Josh knew full well that coming clean in GBMS would earn respect. The jury questioning gave Paul the chance to do the same and he kept deflecting, digging himself deeper along the faux – incredulous faces as Josh was soaking. Calling Josh GBMS cowardly hypocritical as he lacked the stones and own his own actions. Josh>Paul. The End.

      • Indeed. Two chances were enough. Maybe an All Stars every five years, but fresh players who really want to play the game for the four years, in between.

        Paul need not apply, IMO. He has no interest in trying to examine what he contributed to his own losses, so I have no interest in seeing him come back.

      • Exactly. He told an interviewer he didn’t watch BB18! :O I was like WTF! Why?? That would be the first thing I did if I lost BB. I would examine every aspect of my game to see where I went wrong… ESPECIALLY if I planned on coming back for a second try! Right? smh…and that, ladies and gentlemen, is why Paul will never win BB. He cannot look at himself honestly to see where his flaws lie.

  177. Yes, the Jury was bitter. Why was the Jury bitter? Because of Paul. He did not manage the situation well at all and I think Alex summed it up well by saying ‘the person who stabbed me in the front instead of the back’ – Paul should have owned his actions in the same way Josh did. I don’t think Josh was a great player, but I was impressed with how he used his goodbye messages to work the Jury.

    • Exactly. I thought for sure Paul would win, but I believe Paul lost at Q&A. You could see the responses to his answers to Elena’s question. I mean, even Josh could own and justify his crybaby antics.

  178. Paul should have won – not his fault that no one in the house but Cody had a mind of their own – he out played them all – it was an emotion vote – not based on who played the best game – personally I wanted Josh out weeks ago – got so tired of seeing him cry – cheese get a set Joshj

  179. Anyone with half a brain knew this jury was bitter. Even though I don’t care for Paul, his game play was that great. He made several mistakes but the biggest one was not I repeat NOT doing jury control. He could have owned up to his part in each and every eviction but he didn’t. He couldn’t or wouldn’t own up to it on Finale night. That is why Paul lost.

  180. If he ever wants a legitimate shot at finally taking home the win from any upcoming and/or future seasons of Big Brother Paul needs to get cracking on that great deal of growing he has yet to do.

    Jurors don’t get bitter because they were lied to, betrayed or outplayed. Everybody understands this. Just like everyone understands that there can be only one winner and that the odds are stacked against you from the get for making it successfully to end game.

    It was Paul’s game to lose right up until he walked out on stage and blew his game and all the hard work he’d put into it to smithereens by opening his mouth and letting the bull merde continue to flow like Vesuvius burying Pompeii under the onslaught of the volcano’s simmering rage.

    If you’re going to play a game of lowest common denominators… OWN IT. And while you’re at it quit being a patronizing, condescending, disrespectful horse’s back end oozing with your contempt for everyone in the room less yourself.

    Say what you will about Josh but he brought a new strategy for jury management and winning the game into the house that NO ONE had ever thought of before. He’s changed the way people will look at the game forever by finding something new under the sun. It was genius.

    Paul had this. It should have been so easy. Treat the jury with the same level of respect that you want them to respect your game. Thank the jury for their loyalty. Thank the jury for working with you to bring you up to this F2 point of the game. Humbly ask the jury for one final favor – their vote.

    DO NOT EVER speak to the jury like they are imbecilic simpletons standing in the glow of your genius. They helped get you to the place where you now sit so stop with the puppet talk already, it’s as old and worn out as the concept of having a platoon of minions at your beck and call. Jurors don’t mind losing the game to the one who outplayed them. They do, however, mind very much losing the game to the guy who struts around like Hannibal crossing the Alps with his squadron of village idiots doing the dirty work for him.

  181. Paul won. Those that voted against him will defend their decision, but they are wrong and mad they got beat. Losers. The show has no integrity, but is that really why we watch?

      • Not about Paul lovers but about who controlled every lever of the game week after week and deserved to win and that’s certainly was not Josh!

      • But who couldn’t close the deal with owing his game? If you play 9 out of 10 things well and one thing you royally screwed up, and you don’t win, you don’t win, your not robbed, you just didn’t win!

      • Oh please,quit the blaming Paul for everything,for god sakes he’s not the antichrist..this pact was a done deal before finale night and you know that is the truth,at least be honest here why Josh won..the biggest loser of the evening was the game itself,finale night was a total farce!

      • If you watch the video when Cody said the word “pact” it was not in fact a pact at all and people are just trying to use that to show a bitter jury. Watch the video

      • I already know the truth,I got eyes and a open mind and didn’t allow myself this season to be brainwashed by the most bitter house guest in BB history, Cody..

      • Cody did not even say the word pact. Rob was fishing for something, started with promise… ended with pact… Cody said yeah.

      • It was . It ruined the whole show for me . Hate should not win . Bully’s should not win. They won.

      • Maybe he didn’t see it that way, he only said to do things , there was no gun held to these ppl to make them DO it ! They could have took their game in their own hands .. they didn’t . Their fault , not his .

      • The bully won . The one that actually did the most . Nice . Good going jury . Everyone so mad at the bullying then vote for him .

      • Agree. That’s the unique genius of these shows: to win you need to destroy a bunch of people’s dreams, and then get them to vote for you at the end anyway.

    • I find it amazing the Paul continued to deny any responsibility for the evicted jury members departures right up to the end. He baldfaced lied and basically said he wasnt the puppet master at all. What a colossally stupid move. Everyone knew he completely ran the house all season but he still denied it at the final q &a..mind bogglingly stupid game play. He deserved to lose just for that.

  182. Yes the jury was bitter. They all got played and were upset that he made them all look stupid. They should have blamed themselves not Paul

    • Good lord….If he lost he did something wrong not a bitter Jury. Cody said himself he voted for Josh because he was honest about his game and Paul was not

      • When Russell hantz owned his game both his seasons he lost by an even bigger margin and people said it was bad jury management.

      • Um he was an absolute horrible person, doesn’t matter you played the game well you did not handle the jury part correctly. If you can’t close the deal you lose…

      • That is my main problem with juries some want to you to own your game and someone want you to make them feel better about their game then they deserve. Why can’t the jury all be like Tony’s they don’t like what he did but they vote for him cause he is the best.

      • Jason said it best the jury decides the line, you are playing with these people and it’s your job to figure it out, Paul crossed the line and never owned it and even lied at his Q&A at the end…

      • Jason ??? The vile person who made the rape joke ? Ugh .. yeah he’s not one I would ever want anything to do with no less believe anything he said . That was another bitter ahole .

      • Hahahaha .. no . He was bitter . Has nothing to do w josh , could have been anyone next to paul and they still wouldn’t have voted for him. Cody is the most disgusting person I’ve ever seen , except on housewives .. they have some women that act like him 😂

    • Players played emotionally and voted emotionally. Paul messed up by using it to his advantage in the house and didn’t realize it would come back to bite him at jury.

      • Nope , because I think he thought they would vote by overall game , w comps and vetoes .. not w their hateful emotions . He probably had no idea they all were so bitter , like Alex !!! She was mad because she thought she would win . So what’s better , throw the person you worked with but outsmarted you under the bus and not vote for him , even if you did know he played better. Even saying if this is something about friendship then we will see .. who votes like that ??? I hope to never see her ever again!

      • No, it wasn’t the “greatest ending”, not for a true fan of BB, someone who loves the game of betrayal, deviousness, deception, intelligence, ability to socialize and strategize. It’s not meant to be a game of integrity, morals, honesty, sore losers, bad sports, and butt hurt bitter jurors. I agree that Paul didn’t do a great job on the finale with speeches, answering questions, and his reaction to finding out about Josh’s DRs. I’m not sure why production decided to play that angle FOR Josh and against Paul. But they did and although I can’t blame Josh, I do find it odd that production would do that. There was some agenda there, imo. I really wish that Cody had went home and Jezebel had stayed. Seems she is the one who had a better grip of the game and as she said, at least she would have voted for the rightful winner and Jezebel nor Cody would have won AFP, which was another bad result for the game of BB and for ANY true fan of the show. Obviously, Cody wanted to be in charge of the house but didn’t have the intelligence, strategy or social ability to do so. He got the next best thing; a bitter, butt hurt bunch of sore loser bad sport evicted crybabies ready for hating, and THAT is what Cody is good at so he took charge with an agenda to spread the hate for Paul instead of owning up to his own lack of intelligence, strategy, and social game. So hate won the game. Real BB fans would NEVER be happy about that outcome. The game is not about hate. The guy you all are so proud of and voted for AFP is full of HATE. BB lost.

      • K, the segment when they played Josh’s DR was after the vote was lock in. So it had no influence on the vote.

      • I’m talking about playing Josh’s GB messages during the aired episodes for the HG which was evicted to see, Capt.

      • I question why Production would choose to ALWAYS show Josh’s message to the evicted HG when there were others to choose from. It was definitely a production strategy, no doubt about that.

      • In an interview, Julie stated that the evicted HGs see all of the GB messages once they get to the house. Production shows us what they want, and continue to manipulate the episodes to follow whatever storyline that they have, but even if it doesn’t show us the evicted HGs seeing their messages, according to Julie, they see EVERYONE’s goodbye message. I can’t recall where I read that, but I believe that it was one of the articles on here. And it may have been Allison instead of Julie? Hopefully someone will correct me because I don’t want to give inaccurate information. Regardless if it was Julie or Allison, they do see everyone’s GB messages. I wondered that as well. I couldn’t understand why they would only show them certain ones, and if that had been the actual case, then it’s very wrong of them to do!

      • I’ve never heard that but I hope it is true. It would definitely be one way for production to avoid the perception of interference, at least where it pertains to the GB messages. I know that during the season, Josh’s specific messages being played and how that negatively would affect Paul’s game, was a topic of conversation by BBN posters. I don’t blame Josh at all. I hope what you heard was good info. I’ve watched all seasons but one, and read a lot of other info about the game, but have never heard what you posted.

      • I just found where I read that. On the BBN home page, it’s an article that was posted on September 15th. It’s an interview with Allison. 🙂

      • The jury members that Josh sent the messages to had to know about the messages before they voted (were shown in jury house or at eviction) except Christmas of course.. The messages were only unknown to Paul and Christmas.. Christmas gave Paul her vote (no harm done).. So the only person upset about the messages was Paul…

      • No its not wrong….If the evicted jury member did not see/hear the message per Julie Chen then they were allowed to hear /see their GB messages in the jury house…They knew about the messages before finale nite..

      • Sorry, not sorry, but the only person upset about the messages was NOT Paul. Those messages played to the HGs as they were evicted had a lot to do with the anger and resentment that went into the jury house. So yes, you ARE WRONG when you say Paul was the only person upset about the messages.

      • AHHHH ….Why didn’t u say it that way in the beginning???? I know the jurors were upset at the GB messages..They (jurors) had already seen/heard them….I know they were not surprised but still somewhat upset maybe…..I was talking about “Paul” being surprised and upset cause he did not know….And I am not sure how Christmas reacted.. The way ur post read indicated the jurors were seeing/hearing the videos for the 1st time on finale nite..

      • They should not have been shown. That just fueled more hate ! I agree with you there . Still , Cody .. he was too hateful . He had to have the last laugh , because he could not put personal and game feelings aside . Poor sport .

      • First I thought Paul was going to win it when Josh sent Christmas to jury.

        But some of his(P) goodbye messages didn’t need to be expressed in that way. “Kevin, if you’re seeing this then Christmas went rouge” He kept the blood from his hands in the game, smart for those remaining in the game. I think he irked the jury members by continuing the lie in the goodbye videos. Fess up, “Jason, you were too strong socially and physically I don’t think I could beat you, so I had to have you voted out.” How many times did we see Derrick tell a truthful goodbye video. Jury management starts in the house and continues with those messages.

        That is where I believe Paul lost 2-3 votes and the game.

      • As I mentioned, Paul didn’t do well with his speeches and answers. But I think the hate was so strong, starting with evictions, then the GB messages from Josh which made them all the more angy and resentful before entering a jury house. With Cody’s attitude setting the atmosphere of the jury house, and him admitting to hating Paul BEFORE he entered the house, the HGs were ripe for becoming bitter bettys.

      • This season the HG’s would have followed a shark into deeper water, they wanted to follow someone, Paul would have been gone IMO if he did not have the safety when Cody tried to put him on the block., Some of this game is luck and that’s what Paul had early on getting 3 weeks of safety. and for the record for me it was the best ending of an awful season…

      • K, all season I have read your posts and have much respect for you; although I am an AL fan and you’re a TN fan, Haha but I am a TRUE Big Brother Fan and I’m content with the outcome. But I believe that we can both agree that we are glad to wrap up this season! 😁 The next time that we will be on opposite sides will be October the 21st when TN loses. 🙂 lol This season of BB has divided the fans almost the same as the past election for POTUS. It’s either/or; black/white and no in between. Half are happy and half are mad. I just hope that the next season will play out much differently than this season! 😁 Good luck with the game tomorrow against Massachusetts!

      • Thanks, Chase. Lol to Oct 21st. ;) Can we just say, go SEC. Last year there were great expectations for the SEC and most of the teams kept sliding in the polls as the year advanced.
        I had a complete different mindset this season with BB when I began watching and that was not to take it very serious. It’s a game. My grandson made 2 touchdowns and a 2 point conversion last night in a middle school football game. As happy as I was for him, it was one of the worst examples of parental bad sportsmanship as I have seen since my own son played baseball in the Dixie Youth state championship MANY years ago. I don’t detest people but I detest their actions and bad sportsmanship is an ugly immature thing.

      • “Obviously, Cody wanted to be in charge of the house but didn’t have the intelligence, strategy or social ability to do so. He got the next best thing; a bitter, butt hurt bunch of sore loser bad sport evicted crybabies ready for hating”

        I guess Cody should be saying “thank you Paul”

      • No I’m not. I don’t think Cody is full of hate. Those were your words not mine. I was responding to your comment that he got the next best thing…(jury members). My point is, what/who he got in jury is a result of Paul’s gameplay.

      • Cody said he hated Paul, more than once…and it started BEFORE Paul entered the house. Cody IS full of lots of hated.

      • That’s true, he said that he hates Paul. I think he also said that about all of them in general at one point.

        So now that u put it that way, Cody’s hate towards the players might be justified (and I think hate is a strong word, but it’s the word he used). At the same time, I also don’t think some of the other actions in the house were justified, but I’m fairly new to this and other ppl have pointed out there’s no rules in the game and it’s not about morals and decency and what not. So if unjustifiable actions are good for Paul, they’re good for Cody too.

      • Oh dear, was hoping to not have to go back down this road :) the same bullying actions he denied being a part of in the Q&A. You and I have already (hopefully) agreed to disagree on whether it is in fact bullying.

      • Someone wrote a big long post the other day about Cody/Jezebel’s so called bullying. Did you see any “bullying” from them or was it only Paul you accuse of bullying?

      • We went through this before I think. I have not seen Cody involved in bullying. I am not saying it didn’t happen. I am saying I did not see it (I did not watch the first episode this season). Did I see him involved in conflicts tho? Yes

      • What is that called when people see and hear only what they choose to see and hear? lol There was a lot of that going on this season. Hate is not justified here no matter how you try to slant it.

      • In this case selective seeing/hearing goes both ways lol.

        We can maybe agree here that neither hate or bullying is justified no matter how u try to slant it.

      • So I choose to think neither Cody nor Paul were bullying, but you choose to think only Paul was bullying. You wrote “So if unjustifiable actions are good for Paul, they’re good for Cody too”. How do you explain that now?

      • Between the two, I saw Paul instigating bullying tactics with members of the house against other players. I saw Cody confronting ppl in specific incidents. I did not see him interfere with anyone else needlessly or encourage anyone to “turn it up” against anyone else.

        I don’t think bullying is justifiable and I don’t think hate is justifiable. However, there are no rules in the game and u are one of the ppl who say that it’s not about morals or integrity, so again, if it’s OK for Paul, it’s OK for Cody (or any other player too). I am not sure what we are debating at this point.

      • Melissa, you choose to start the “debate”, I call it a discussion, but it does seem you enjoy “debating”. I see, so you are saying if it is ok for Paul to bully, which in your opinion he did, but Cody didn’t, it is ok for Cody to hate. So, in your opinion, 2 wrongs DO make a right. Is that just in the game of BB or does that pertain to real life, also?

      • Debate / discussion – doesn’t matter, let’s say exchange of opinions then.

        I don’t think Paul’s bullying is ok. I don’t think Cody’s hate is ok (did u miss the part where I said we can maybe agree?).

        I just don’t see what your point is, since u said the game is not about morals or integrity.

      • But you don’t think Cody bullied either. There’s where we are back to the top of the “debate”…..you see only what you want to see….Paul “bullied”, Cody didn’t. I find that hypocritical, and I also see you choose to deflect to keep from answering the last question I posed to you.

      • I don’t see where I deflected anything. The last question you posed to me was about “real life” . I did not deflect that question, I ignored it, as we are talking about a game where moral and integrity is not part of it, according to you.

        Even if Cody bullied, doesn’t make it ok. I don’t think bullying is justified.

      • Oh, you definitely deflected. I’ll repeat, and give you another chance. You made the statement that, “So if unjustifiable actions are good for Paul, they’re good for Cody, too.” Then I asked “So in your opinion, 2 wrongs DO make a right? Is that just in the game of BB or does that pertain to real life, also?”

      • No two wrongs do not make a right. This is not a situation of two wrongs making a right. Bullying is not justified. Hate is not justified. I don’t know how else to say it and I don’t get what you think I’m deflecting.

        What difference does it make whether I think it pertains to real life or not? We’re talking about the game.

      • Melissa, you are contradicting yourself. In one breath, you say bullying and hate are not justified but in another breath you say if unjustifiable actions are alright for Paul(and you were referring to bullying), they’re good for Cody, too. In other words as long as Paul can bully, it’s ok for Cody to hate. That is exactly what you meant, right? I would never say that IF it is ok for one then it is ok for the other. Which is it?

      • I am not contradicting myself. I am saying that for ppl, like you, who say that there’s nothing wrong with Paul’s gameplay because it’s not about morals and integrity, Cody’s hate towards Paul (and the bitter, butt hurt, sore loser behaviour of jury, which is what my original comment was about) should all be acceptable.

        For ppl like me, game or no game bullying is not justifiable. Hate is not justifiable.

        We can debate/discuss whether bullying happened in the game, but I don’t think even Paul denied that bullying took place, it’s just that he denied his part in it.

      • lmbo….You do have a way to twist and spin things when you need to. You DID contradict yourself. I’ll just accept it as you goofed and are unable to admit that you can’t stand behind what you said. :D

      • Hmmm. I still don’t see where I contradicted myself, but ok. We’ll leave it at that. I’m new here but I’ll be back. See u for BB20 :)

      • You also didn’t see that Cody hates, until I pointed that out to you. lol I’m sure we’ll continue our “debates” next season.

      • Yes, you pointed it out and I agreed. Shows that I can admit when necessary. Can’t admit to what I don’t see.

      • Well, as I said this selective thing goes both ways. Glad there’s someone else who likes to “debate” as much as I do lol.

      • My mother always told me to never debate because the only people who want to turn a discussion into a debate are usually fools who think they are always right. Debate is your word of choice. I don’t debate. I simply discuss. :D

      • Hahaha. I find that hilarious since debate IS discussion. Debate is just the formal usage. At any rate, see u in BB20. I have to get to work.

      • You can discuss without debating. You can’t debate without discussing. One of my college professors taught me that. Have fun at work! :P

      • 👍👍 need to put this one wayyyyyy behind us . If I can stomach another season. This made me bitter :/ but by next season I won’t remember! Lol .. just like 18.. don’t remember it . Hopefully I will forget this one quickly ! 😝

      • I don’t think he could see it as well as we did that watched. When your inside you can’t see it . Cody started it , or he was very upset after his hoh got blown . After that , he could not get past his hatred for Paul . Over something paul didn’t ask for (safety) they were both wrong , but paul played the game w minor issues and Cody didn’t play that much because everyONE wanted him out ! Paul played THE game , Cody played hateful . Spiteful. Despicable. If I can’t stay in the house I’m going to make sure that my hate rubs off . Once he was gone the house was a little better . No winners or losers here . The only winner is BB w ppl still talking about it .

      • There is no doubt that Paul is a way better game player than Cody. Bitter jury is Paul’s fault, not Cody.

      • Cody was the bully ! Was I watching the same game ? Cody wasn’t maybe bullying , but hateful ! He looked miserable , his hate led him on out the door into jury and spread it like a disease . Cody is not a hero , not a winner , poor sport and hateful . Telling someone you don’t know I put u up because I don’t like you .. hateful . Not wanting to have a talk w paul about putting him and jess up and just fu paul fu paul .. hate . He couldn’t get past that it’s a game !! HE stated many times he hated paul , why ?? Cause he got outplayed and he looked stupid cause paul had safety . Paul don’t bully anyone either , the winner did !! If that says anything .

      • Big Brother is not based on morals, although some like to judge it morally in one fashion, but then let other bad behavior slide… either way, what BB is really about is getting to know the other HG, making alliances and forming social bonds, and then, when you have to turn on that alliance member, you send them to jury in a manner that you will receive their vote. Paul did all that nearly perfectly with the exception of his trail of lies that eventually caught up with him. Lying is okay in BB, but you have to own it and admit it, like Will did in BB2. Paul cannot do that and that is why he has lost twice. He was the only one really playing the game this season and I admit that, but his jury management sucked. Maybe he should have watched BB18, so he could have examined what he did wrong then and fixed it this season. JMO of course.

      • Cody . He was the first to be an azz! So much that one of them did self evict. He is full of hate ! Jess better run !

      • How about Kevin? How did having everyone isolate & attack Kevin further Paul’s game? He didn’t take him to F2, so why was it necessary to “make stuff up to Alex” and have the entire house pick on Kevin for nearly a month?

      • lolol…..poor, poor, poor Kevin! Oh, TGJ, bless your heart, I have NO sympathy for anyone who goes into that house. There is a door they can exit any time they choose to do so.

      • None . He played the better game ! Jury just had a bitter Cody that resonated w the other sheep in the house .

      • Maybe they will put Cody and paul back in the house someday . Muhahahaha , and want Cody to self evict the whole time !! I didn’t hate him just thought he was weak minded .

      • He is the sole reason, the other houseguests voted against paul because for Cody , they didn’t play the whole season, they were dragged along by paul ! It’s just horrible to see such a hateful person get awarded . Game play , comps all that was not taken into consideration.. was all hate hate hate. Ruined bb for me. :(

      • So true,the only reason Josh got to the final 3 because he clung to Paul like a glove,he could have pulled the trigger on him at anytime and would have been gone like the wind,Josh is no player,he’s a total joke and finale night was a total farce and debacle for the game itself,no doubt the BB will go on but the damage on finale night will remain for quite sometime.

      • Your logic is flawed. Yes, BB is a game of deception with very few rules. So at the end, you can’t dictate rules to the jury so your player can win. Paul in with perks from production and that was an agenda from production!! Paul continued to lie and not own his game on finale night, his ego lost him the game. He didn’t learn from last year. Josh and Cody just exposed his “game play”. Which is part of BB. Paul only has himself to blame, but he continues to blame others. The jury already knew about Paul’s lies before they aired the messages from Josh. And yes juries can be bitter, that is also part of the game.

      • The jury system in BB was created for just this reason. If not they would just have a comp at the end of the show to crown the winner. It’s a social experiment and part of that experiment is to make the jury like the remaining HG, even if that person played a part in getting them out of the house. Will always owned his bad behavior and the jury forgave him. Paul did not, therefore, he created a bitter jury that was unwilling to reward him for his game, one he did not own or admit to btw, You cannot be a “mastermind”, but still blame “the house” for decisions being made. Sorry Paul, but you cannot have it both ways.

      • Without hateful Cody ? Paul would have won . He took his hate and disdain to the jury . Airing Josh’s gb messages shouldn’t have been aired if paul’s weren’t . Tit for tat . It was a horrible outcome for real players . No one will play how they won’t in fear of the jury , but hopefully there won’t be another Cody , ever !!!!! His hate and blatant disrespect for the game makes me wonder why he was even there !!!

      • Cody poisoned the jury with his own hate and self pity and yes Alex was told Paul was making fun of her behind her back,that did not happen on the show..just wonder who did that?..give you one guess,Cody the hater who thinks everyone on earth are scum except him and the Bride of Frankenstein.

      • Where is the flaw in my logic? Where did I say I could dictate rules to the jury so my player could win? “Paul in with perks form production and that was an agenda from production!!” What the heck does that even mean? Yes, Paul made a mess of his speech and answering questions and not owning up and it bit him. Josh’s GB messages were aired during the eviction of each HG at the time of the eviction and the reason behind production doing that was a topic of discussion on the threads. No way that didn’t contribute to the hate and animosity toward Paul. To show those GB messages was a decision production made. Game play is not usually exposed to that point over and over by production. Paul might could have reversed some of the damage those messages did if he had owned up to some things, but he didn’t and he definitely messed that up. Josh did good with those, for sure.

      • KSJB, can you PERSONALLY change rules, no. My point is/was that you expected the Jury to follow Jessica’s logic and vote based on his wins. They did not. This season illuminated that the game is still being played in the Jury house as well as BB house. Again, the same rules apply to both houses. Paul came in and instantly got friendship bracelets and 3 weeks safety. Can you honestly believe there wasn’t manipulation by production and EP AG in those actions? Just as you say that production manipulated showing Josh’s GB messages?? As for the hate and bullying in the house, Paul hated Cody as much as Cody hated Paul. Again, you can’t have it both ways. Also, Paul instigated ALL the bullying by Josh. Paul is responsible for all the hate directed toward him, production and Josh just exposed it. As you stated, lying, deviousness, deception and intelligence are all part of the BB game. Paul was played by Josh and unfortunately your guy lost. It is sad that Paul’s ego is big that he doesn’t realize why he lost. I would like to see a BB all stars with him as a contestant, he wouldn’t make it to Jury.

      • Utter hogwash!!,Paul did not hold a gun to Josh’s head or Alex who was part of that scene too,those two and others “chose” to act,don’t water down or overlook the truth,Alex did not become a Saint on finale night,she became BB’s “Pennywise” for real.

      • I never said Alex was a saint, but if you watch the SHOW, you will see that PAUL, instigated the bullying and antagonism. Apparently you watched a different show.

      • Agree ! Bb is about out smarting and outplaying the other ppl , as he said he couldn’t save them all , they all thought he would take them to the end ?? Play your own game! You played his and didn’t play your own and then get mad at the one that you went along with and mad because ur not sitting next to him. Cody .. he won’t be remembered for anything more then being a bitter , hateful ahole who poisoned other ppl w hate. It’s not who hates , it’s who plays . Bb did a huge disservice for me, I will never watch another season knowing that the jury can vote out of hate . Paul didn’t hate , he didn’t play w hate , he just played to Win, anyway he had to. Cody should have been gone and never had the battle back . The temps and hex bs were terrible . That put paul in a very compromising spot , given him safety . He didn’t ask for it . It just showed how hateful Cody was and is ! I feel bad for America . Makes me think there is still so much hate , over a game . A game that has always been somewhat entertaining, this just proves America has dumbded down the game for someone as awful as those that jumped on that hate train. Shame.

      • Cody is such a miserable soul,hated everyone and everything around him on BB except Jessica,guess she got a reprieve for sleeping with him.

  183. the Jury is bitter but Paul made them that way. Paul got what he played for – if he had owned up to his game – he could have won

    • Keep arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic,makes no difference.,the pact was long sealed before finale night.

      • There was no pact if you heard the interview it is completely not what people are trying to make it out to be…

      • I think Cody had made a promise to “1” individual in the jury house…only “1”…there was no 3/4/5/6 person involvement…I think the word “pact ” was taken out of context…I saw and heard the interview…It would be good if people would listen to it again to get a better handle of what was actually said…

      • Agreed. Cody himself didn’t even use the word pact. Rob started out saying something about a promise, seems to me he kept insisting, digging for something and Cody just said yeah. Even if there was a pact, who decided that a pact was made long before finale night?

      • Totally agree. He could have pulled a Will and just owned up to his bad behavior in the house. That was why people forgave Will Kirby for his dastardly deeds…he never hid them and he always admitted to them b/c he knew people will generally forgive a person when that individual admits what they did and why they did it.

      • You say that like somebody broke some sacred rule. Pacts and alliances a part of big brother. It’s a game, remember?

  184. When Julie 1st started reading jury votes. I was like, ok HG’s… you are really dumb! For real.. Paul played you and your handing him $500k for doing it. But I was suprised.. Finally some sort of twist to compensate for the total lack of it this whole season. 😯

  185. Just for the record here,have not had a fave since Season 16 and that was Zach and he got evicted because he could not keep his mouth shut but that did not prevent me from celebrating Derrick’s win,he earned that 500,000 and so did Paul and nothing will ever change the simple truth..you can yell jury mgt. and other things but the the truth will remain steadfast.

  186. Just wonder if Jess n Cody would have swapped and she had been in jury would we be seeing a different outcome. I know she saw Paul’s game play from outside the house. When Julie asked who she’d vote for. Jess answered from that perspective. But I feel like maybe even Mark n Elena mite have voted for Paul had they been in jury with Jessica. Even if Jess was the only one to vote Paul. Thats all he needed. Idk. Cody being there was like the I told you so and the last thing they could do was vote against Paul. Maybe I’m wrong.

  187. You have to gain jury votes from the people inside the jury. Jessica may have voted for Paul but all other houseguests voted out before making it to jury wanted Josh to win.

    • Yes, but I mean the whole halting hex. They wanted Cody gone 1st but settled on Jess. Just thinking about that outcome bc she really disliked Josh until she watched him play the rest of the season

    • And there’s no telling how Jessica would have felt about Paul if she had stayed in the house longer. She may have wanted to have his babies. She may have wanted his head on a spear. Speculation.

  188. Simply put if you made the jury hate you YOU did something wrong. YOU miscalculated and overplayed your hand and YOU lost…..

    • I’m not a bitter Paul fan,never been one of my faves but right is right,he controlled every lever of power in this game throughout the whole summer,maybe not as quiet behind the scenes guy as Derrick but just as effective..in his own way Derrick was just as ruthless as Paul in evicting house guests..people want to point to Paul bully tactics,well maybe not his finest moment for sure but on the other hand don’t recall him holding a gun to Josh or anyone head to make them do anything and that includes Alex,the “Pennywise” of BB,she was right in the middle of that whole scene too and suddenly in front of Will she becomes Joan of Arc,oh please..don’t make me puke..every jury member sitting there that night that so righteously cleansed themselves of any guilt did there share of lying and backstabbing and that includes Cody the Hun!

      • I hear ya. I give him credit for his play, and acknowledge that the houseguests were sheep. Just know that Paul failed to adequately address a major variable. His strategy stopped at F2. It was a fatal flaw.

      • Actually, Paul did not control EVERY lever of power in the game; he did not control the lever of power that existed in the jury house. That’s a big lever to forget. Apparently, Cody didn’t forget it, and he used it to Paul’s disadvantage.

  189. Finally got a chance to watch all of Rob’s interview. I loved how he completely trolled Raven without really coming right out and saying anything.

    • That was some awesome interview….especially the “after parties” he mentioned and the “kool aid” question…

  190. If Paul wanted the jurors votes, then he shoulda made sure they were happy with the way he fucked em. Many winners before him have handled that same problem.

  191. In order to make it fair and unbiased, the evicted houseguests should be sequestered for a few days, away from the other evicted HGs, and after they have had a few days to think, they cast their vote, then go home. I’m not a Paul fan, so I’m not upset that he lost, but I do feel like the evictees influence each other over the course of time, and by the time they cast their votes, they have become biased and more likely to cast an emotional vote, rather than strategic. That’s my opinion at least…

    • I understand your concept, Chaseo, but you we’re talking weeks of jury confinement here. You can’t be suggesting they keep each jury member separated for the entire period until voting, right? The jury is created for a reason, to hold the HG accountable for the actions they took in the house. In Will’s season (BB2), the jury was very bitter towards Will at first, but his speech owning his game play turned them around. He admitted he was an ass. He admitted he played all of them (with the exception of Boogie) and he said he would do it again for 500K, because that was what the game was really about and the jury respected him for that and gave him the win. Paul did none of that & he lost b/c of his lies and deflecting of responsibility imo.

      • Do you watch Survivor? I thought when they got down to jury that they were all kept sequestered. That’s what I thought, but probably wrong, lol! I know the jury can’t talk to each other during tribal council, supposedly.

      • I actually did not start watching Survivor until Caleb was in Khao Rong, so I am not as familiar with how Survivor works as I am with BB. I’ve been watching BB since Will Kirby won in BB season 2.

      • Oh, I’ve probably watched about 5 seasons of each. I’m not sure they are sequestered on survivor, but it just seems that they are.
        You probably know everything about bb!

      • I know enough to realize I could never go on the show! hehe If someone treated me the way Paul & his crew treated Kevin…I’d lose my mind & probably be expelled for tripping/shoving the little dictator (Paul) down the spiral staircase! LOLOL!

      • Lol, I know the bullying needs to stop! I can’t help but hold Josh responsible for the bullying. I don’t care if Paul told him to do it or not. If my child bullied someone and said she did it because someone told her to, I’d be like that isn’t going to fly around here.
        I mean if Paul held a gun up to Josh’s head and said bully cody and jess, then ok.

      • LMAO! Oh, I agree, each HG is responsible for their actions, but, as Cody said in his BY interview, Josh, at least did the dirty work & then owned it. He did not try & lie about it and blame someone else. You know, had Josh said “well Paul told me to do it and that’s why I did the things I did” Paul would have probably won BB!

      • If I found out that my child did not directly bully someone but had somehow been the instigator, my reprimand would be the same as if they only did it because somebody else told them to do it.

      • Don’t forget if you watch Survivor to join us at survivorfandom.com. There.s already some good content to read. Same owner than here.

      • No, they are not sequestered separately, they are together at the same hotel. They call the hotel, Ponderosa. If you have All Access, the day after the video is available to watch. Now, are they allow to talk game, that they never said.

      • Yes. All CBS show are on All Access. Even my favorite sitcom of all time, Taxi. You going to need it to watch Star Trek:Discovery, sunday’s 2 hour premiere is on the network also, but after that it will be only on All Access.

      • Star trek is only on all access after Sunday night?
        I like star trek, but I’m worried it will not be as good as before.

      • Yep. That’s why I have it and I’m keeping it active. I will even switch to the $9.99 for the no-commercial version.

      • I have it, but only watched bb on it. Plus, I rarely had time for that, but I just went down to part time at my job, so I’ll have more time.
        I hope star trek is awesome for ya!

      • We will see Sunday night. I love sci-fi. I need another good show after learning of the cancellation of Dark Matter.

      • I’ve never watched dark matters, is it on netflix? Or on demand? I have so much catching up to do with tv.

      • Thanks, captain. Why isn’t your name captain kirk? Or at least your a pic of him in your avatar?
        I do know a James Tiberius on disqus though and a few people that use kirk as an pic.

      • CaptainKirk was taken on Hotmail, that’s where it all started on the early 90s. Captain only was taken too. So I ended up with Captain555. My nickname was Captain pretty much my whole life. It started when I was an Eagle Scout.

      • Awe. How cute that you were an eagle scout. I went from a Daisy to a brownie to a girl scout.
        You are my captain too, Captain555.

      • Saying you have the time to watch a few things, did you catch on SyFy the mini-serie “Childhood’s end” based on the AC Clarke book ?

        If not, and especially if you never read the book, you really should watch that. Pretty sure it’s on SyFy Go. If you can’t find it, write to me and I’ll put on a google drive for you. captain555 at hotmail dot com.

      • Good morning, captain. No, I didn’t see that series. Siunds interesting though.How are you doing? Are you getting the heat wave there? This is suppose to be the last day of it here. Woohoo.
        How was your star trek premiere? I saw when it was coming on the other night and thought of you.

      • I haven’t watch it yet, it’s in my PVR. I was watching the Sunday Night Football sunday, and last was Monday Night Football. I might try to watch it tonight.

        Let me know if you want to watch Childhood’s End. it’s worth it.

      • Good morning, captain. The show was awesome and looks to be good, but too early too tell. What did you think of it.? Were you surprised that Chrissy didnt use the idol and voted out kristina? I was. Why do you think she did that? Not to cause any trouble early in the game?

      • Yea, it look like we will indeed have a good season.

        Chrissy voted for Katrina, I think she wanted the other to feel like she was with them. Like you said, not to cause trouble early, and put a target on her back.

        But think about that, she has an immunity idol that has no more power, but nobody know that. She could use it strategically.

        Don’t be shy, you’re welcome at fandom.

      • Yeah, maybe it is a flawed concept.. was just a thought but you make a good point. Btw, I’m extremely ECSTATIC that the jury voted the way they did! I have been against Paul and his methods all season, and I firmly believe that if he would have owned up to his lies, it could have possibly been a different outcome. And I said that after they are evicted, they could spend a couple of days sequestered, (so they won’t be influenced from the outside), and then cast their vote, and then go home. I feel that that would be one way to keep it unbiased. But as it was pointed out to me, and I agree, part of the jury’s job is to judge the entire season, and not just up until the time they are evicted. So bad concept on my behalf.

      • Btw, not sure if I articulated well enough, but you’re completely correct, and I agree 100% with your opinion on the jury’s responsibility. My concept would not work because it would just be based on what has happened up until they are evicted, and then they don’t have the TWO finalist to choose from. So yeah, although I thought I came up with an unbiased solution to appease everyone, it actually made my intelligence level look to be on par with Raven’s! lol But yeah, thanks for calling me out and corrected that!
        -Hope you have a great weekend! 😁

      • Haha .. naw . I know what u meant .. but didn’t follow through with the whole way it would be worked . All good. I got it.

    • For some reason people like you don’t realize that the jury is part of big brother. It’s not just a way to keep evictees stashed away for fun. Big Brother is not just about winning competitions and staying off the block. It’s also a social experiment. Feelings and emotions are part of our social make-up. So all the talk complaining people got emotional is ridiculous. If a player, like Paul, is unable to understand the human traits of emotions and feelings and a understand what “social” means, then #1 players like Paul have an abnormality and #2 they really don’t understand big brother at all.

      • Thank you for your comment. Yes, I completely understand the point of the jury and it didn’t come across that way at all in my post. I was just saying ,in order to appease everyone that is screaming that the jury was bitter, influenced by Cody, and biased, then it would be best for the evicted HGs to vote as soon as they are evicted. I didn’t elaborate on the negatives for that. Also I’m ecstatic that Paul lost! I would have voted the same way. It’s one thing to be lied to and toiled with, but the blatantly lie when it’s time to own it, not only pisses me off, but undermines my intelligence.
        –> Btw, before you start insinuating and referring to someone as “People like you”, be certain that you don’t make assumptions and jump the gun.
        – Hope you have a great weekend.

      • “people like you” meaning who think the jury is supposed to be unbiased and it’s not fair that they compare notes. I didn’t mean it as “terrible people”. It’s just something players to figure into their strategy to win. And Cody just doesn’t seem like the type of guy who would care what others think or do.
        My weekend starts in about 30 minutes and I can’t wait! Enjoy your weekend also.

      • Yeah, I took it personal at first and that was on me. Hopefully the next 30 minutes will go by quickly! (Usually it’s the opposite and the last hour seems like it’s three.) I suppose all of the politics going on and people saying things like “you’re the reason for the problem”, or “you’re part of the problem” has me a little touchy, and apparently, it’s me that jumped the gun. Haha I’m putting my phone down so I will stop… just need to stop! Haha
        Capiche

      • I get ya . And no , is not ppl like you .. I think more so ppl like that .. nobody wrong here. There is only 2 kinds, ppl who hated paul and those who hated Cody . And we all have diff opinions, and doesn’t make anyone more right or wrong . Hell even Julie said Paul should have won! Just a messy cast .

      • lol Kinda reminds me of a recent election we had.(POTUS) Way too much division and controversy in one year for me!

      • Haha , yes for sure . Cept we get to see how terrible wrong the voters for trump were, and won’t know about Josh or care . He does need to get out of the closet tho . 🌈 is ok now .

      • LOL I’ve thought the same thing from the first time I saw him! My gaydar is usually very accurate! Nothing surprises me!

      • Agree . People like you ? You mean people like YOU!? Nobody is right or wrong . Paul and Cody were both wrong . They both made mistakes. Cody just didn’t seem to be human , more like Just making human moves to not be unmasked as an alien . Ok ok .. fine . I totally thought he was an ass , egotistical, maniacal, poor poor sport . He did poison the jury . If not for him the game would have been diff . I simply hated him . Didn’t love paul . But wasn’t played out like it should have . I dunno . Next .. lol 😂

      • And sorry, I just re-read my post and it looks completely ignorant. I do comprehend the responsibility of the jury. My little idea wouldn’t have worked either way because there isn’t a final 2 for them to vote for until the end. Sorry if my previous message comes across as a smarta$$, because I was in the wrong. Thanks for calling me out on it! 😁

    • Yup. I didn’t think they were allowed to talk to one another alone or in a group wout mediator or something . If the PACT is really true , then that just sinks bb .. that means that ppl who get evicted will all start to come together and make it a group vote and not individual, or at least with this cast , they didn’t have their own thoughts , it was like they all connected to one lame brain, Cody !! Like the collective . The borg! I agree they should be sequestered and have time and vote how they want to , game wise . Not personally.

  192. OMG serves Paul right he was blatantly dishonest and then all that bragging he did in the DR room. You’d think he’s never watched before he knew they would show that stuff. BB never should have brought him back and WTF he WON 2nd place last year that ridiculous…. I;m glad he lost.
    as for Josh he is a crybaby but he did grow throughtout the game. and I say great game play with the good bye messages. The look on Paul’s face priceless

  193. Paul (and his fans) will never get it. Once again, this was
    not a learning experience for him, he feels robbed again. His loss is due to
    others. He Justifies unjustifiable behavior, as we all do. Most of us examine
    ourselves to understand where we may be wrong and attempt to learn from events
    in our lives. Some cannot even admit to being wrong even when it is obvious. Yes,
    he ran everything and it was a plus and I guess impressive. (made for boring
    viewing) It is how this was done that is at issue. His low regard for others
    guaranteed him only second place once again. No respect was shown to others, it
    became evident to them. Shyster / is a slang word for someone who acts in a
    disreputable, unethical, or unscrupulous way. In his own words..
    He shysted and shysted; (not a Freudian Slip however). This is a con man term. Con
    men have no regard for their marks. When others sense this, it has a powerful
    impact. He gained people’s confidence and betrayed them and bragged about it,
    was proud. As to the statement that he overplayed, this is valid. Even after an
    eviction was inevitable, after the possibility of vetoes were all gone and
    control of the vote assured, the harsh tactics continued, the preverbal kicking
    a man when he is down dynamic was repeated over and over. This continued even
    as the individual was walking out the door and in some cases long after the
    individual was gone. It is possible to achieve the goals, and exhibit some of
    this behavior but yet exhibit respect for those involved. All that was
    exhibited was egotistical, psychopathic and un-empathetic displays. No remorse
    for causing others harm. The human traits responsible for humane behavior
    appear to be missing. It is the pleasure that he took in his torment of others,
    and the superiority that he felt, that the others finally allowed themselves to
    perceive and that cost him dearly. No regard for others, this dis-respect is
    what cost him $450,000 for a second time. I do not want to see BB become a mob
    mentality, cruel, animalistic display, well maybe a little of this, but more,
    an insightful, strategic competition devoid of bullying tactics where respect
    is given even to those who are targeted. Put simply, many of us viewers and the
    Jury did not want to see this approach rewarded. That’s why we were so
    passionate about wanting the result that we finally witnessed. I love BB and I
    certainly, do not want to see the show become a competition to determine who is
    the best con artist. I feel that in that this approach was not rewarded it will
    be less likely to be repeated at least not to the extent as was in season 19.

    • The bullying by the mob was despicable. Unfortunately, it epitomizes the entire season. Much like the Presidential Election, the voters were given the awful choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. Don’t ask me which is which.

    • Paul’s biggest & most fatal flaw is that he cannot look at himself honestly and see his mistakes. You’re right, this (like BB18) will not be a learning experience for him so, imo, he should never come back b/c he will never win BB until he can lose his ego & see the mistakes he made in both seasons which, in my opinion, is how he handles people as they are leaving the house for jury. You know he never even watched himself on BB18? If I was coming back to BB and I had just lost BB, you can bet your bottom dollar I would watch myself & my season over & over so I could figure out where I went wrong. Paul is incapable of doing this b/c his ego is incapable of admitting he did anything wrong. It is always someone else’s fault and never his own.

      • I don’t think he should come back either. Anyone would want him out first after this season, for sure.

      • You know, S, I wouldn’t mind seeing Paul play against some serious players, like in an All-Star season, b/c I do think Paul is a really good player. However, b/c he does not go back and watch himself to see where he went wrong, I don’t think he will learn from the mistakes he made in both BB18 & BB19, so, really, what is the point in bringing him back? He will never win BB until he learns how to evict someone without making them hate him. He cannot seem to grasp the concept of owning his game play, no matter what it is.

      • It sure would be interesting, but if they watched this season and saw how sneaky he is, he’d be gone early.

      • He’d probably be gone early b/c many alumni don’t like him either! ;) At least as a BB player. Paul could be a nice guy in RL. I don’t know, but as a BB player, this year he was terrible. Hated him!

      • I agree that I actually want him to play again, a crazy third time, but only if it’s against at least a good handful of other vets, if not against all vets. But this isn’t to see him try to win a third time — I want him to experience being evicted. I would say doesn’t matter when, but I think I would actually like to see him be a juror. I’d be really interested to see how he votes after he feels he was robbed twice as an F2 member.

        Like him or hate him, Paul is a good player. There are times I wish somebody would punch him in the mouth, and make me not want to admit he’s a good player, but he is. I also liked Cody and he and Paul hated each other so you can imagine how I’m putting personal feelings and bias aside. I think Paul could hang with vets, but he shouldn’t be able to control them nearly as much and I want to see how he adapts to that. No longer a new kid (S18) and no longer a sole vet with way too much control (S19). He really should experience eviction under those circumstances, and if he doesn’t, he’ll likely be up there with the all-time best (if he actually gets to F2 a third time, even if he loses a third time).

      • He would never survive against players with strong wills, like Dan, Derrick, Frank, Janelle, Mike boogie, Brittany, Vanessa… they list goes on. He has played against weak minded individuals which is the only reason his tactics worked.

      • He didn’t need to .. game . Check your morals at the door . You don’t need them here . It wasn’t a game about life , Cody made it personal because he doesn’t have any coping mechanisms and anti social and a bit of a psycho ! Nothing more to it . Past seasons have all had terrible ppl that lied and back stabbed and threw ppl under the bus . Difference is they all were gamers and mature enough to separate the two . Cody is poison . He spred his hate and for someone he didn’t even know , or try to know . He couldn’t win bb but he was going to make damn sure that paul wasn’t. They were manipulated in the house and in the jury . Only 4 of them had a brain that they used separately and not as a collective , like fckin android . Idiots.

      • Obviously he should have watched himself or he would’ve realized how he sent people like Meech, Natalie & others out wasn’t right. Jury management is crucial, just ask Dan G. A bitter jury gave Ian T. BB14 b/c Dan sent them packing angry, hurt and hostile. And Dan did not create even one tenth of the hostile environment in the BB house that Paul created with his constant stirring the pot of animosity between the HG!!

        You say Cody is totally responsible for the jury votes? So, Cody is a mastermind. Hmm. I seem to recall you & others saying Cody had no BB game skills. I have said it myself, but then again, I am not calling Cody a jury Svengali either. So, according to your own words, Cody instigated this jury coup, so that makes him as much as a puppet master as Paul, right? And if that is the case, isn’t he free to use his influence to try and persuade the jury, just like Paul used his vet status to persuade the HG to stick with him & his #friendship plan all season? It was only when Paul lied and then continued to lie and did not own his own game that Paul was exposed. That is what made him lose. Not Cody. He was just one vote in five. Paul mismanaged the jury and, let’s not forget the most important fact, Paul lost R3 of the HOH. Josh *brought* Paul to F2, not the other way around. Paul is lucky he went home with 50K, b/c had Josh picked Xmas…he would have went home with NOTHING!!

      • Only 3 of them. Christmas voted with her lady parts, not her brain. She’s probably still waiting for Paul to get down on one knee

      • YW. I’d say, especially after the results of BB19, that was a mistake on Paul’s part. I know, if it was me and I had lost BB I would want to go back and examine my game to see where I went wrong–especially if I was planning on coming back!! But Paul did not feel that need…need I say more?

      • He *said* he never watched himself. I don’t believe it. If he didn’t, then all the more fool he is, IMO. Losing by ONE vote, why wouldn’t you go back and watch your interactions, your choices, how people were responding to you behind closed doors, to give yourself the best chance for winning on your second try??

      • I do believe it b/c if he had, I can’t imagine that Paul, being as smart as he is, would not have corrected that flaw in his game. He simply cannot face his own mistakes and, if he cannot do that, he’ll never win BB, no matter how many times he tries.

    • I have expressed many of ur thoughts and reasoning in my own post during season 19.. Ty for an excellent write up…

      • Oh good grief , it wasnt a game called LIFE, or lessons .. it’s all about who can outplay and outlast the others . Which he did . So what if he didn’t take the big sulker or lunatic Alex or raping jason .. those are not ppl to look up to .. nor is josh ( although he was ok once he bullied Cody and Mark out) nobody can see what this did ? They crowned THE bully ! Not the man behind the bully . All because somehow they all were supposed to go to f2???? They would have run over one another to be next to paul and ended up betraying the one that tried to save them as much as he could and not throw his own game down the chitter . Have to be better players not people . Stay home and play a board game or wheel
        Of fortune if you can’t roll w big brother you bunch of big babies . Oi !

      • And once again everyone is forgetting that the Jury is a huge part of the game. Paul played a horrible game when you think about what he really needed to do to win, which was secure jury votes.

  194. After all of his hard work during the season, Paul failed himself by offering a very poor final speech. He needed to win over some jurors with sweetness and contrition; by making sure everyone in the jury knew they would have had to do things they may not have wanted to do in order to win. He wound up speaking in a monotone that omitted his winning personality that we all got used to. He also needed to bang Josh’s game so the jurors would have to swallow harder before they voted for him. Of course, I blame Cody but maybe Paul should have appealed to the competitor in in Cody to recognize they are cut from the same cloth. I guess Paul needs to win second place on BB another 8 times to make the $500K.

    • Haha , yup . I was sure he was going to make a killer speech , and that’s what would have saved him. Josh out “speeched” him . Did he even practice , or have a basic speech to take or just knows he’s gonna win and didn’t bother . That must be SO disappointing to him after the fact . IF there was a pact and paul had owned all and made the best speech ever , would that have changed their mind ? I think Cody is just a poor sport, bad behavior gets rewarded. Nice America . It’s ok to tell ppl you don’t like them and walk on furniture and have the personality of a gnat, and somehow that comes off as OK . I don’t get it . I really don’t . Cody spread his hate, even Jessica could separate game from life and vote for the player. They will argue about that , she will say he’s stupid and throw her weave around and leave him in his mommas basement😝 . I don’t see that working out at all !!! Once the measly 25k is gone , she’s gone . If She is in Plano tho if she chooses to come here , a lot better men w a lot more personality then a twig . I mean , babe had more. He’s just awful , awful !! Not saying Paul was a saint , just 2 diff ppl period and play styles , and the one that couldn’t handle chit made sure he would make paul lose AND get afp ? Please . Can’t tell me that chit wasn’t already set in place . Paul should have been evicted , would have loved to see Paul work the jury to vote for Xmas over like Jess ! This is to long , I’m still awfully confused about how and why and wtf ! Are we really that hell bent on making the bad guy a good guy?? Same ppl who voted for trump are the same ppl that voted for Cody , I bet !!!! He’s white . America is racist! Just like their president! Take Cody and trump and stick em up ur ass ! All up in ur ass ! 🙄😂 did I say all that out loud 🤷‍♀️😂😂

      • Actually, the speech Paul gave wasn’t the one he was rehearsing. The speech he was gonna give was much more condescending than that.

        Also, the word “racist” has literally lost all meaning. It’s now associated with “people who are not liked by the speaker.”

  195. Paul should have owned his game play from the start, during the questions. It wasn’t until he realized that wasn’t working bc they all knew and communicated with him that he finally changed gears during his final speech. He thought his goodbye messages managed the jury enough that he was still not found out. I went into the finale feeling paul should win even though I did not like some of this tactics. Even I felt, josh did better in the Q&A.

  196. I don’t know for sure how much Cody influenced the jury, but if he was crucial in deciding the outcome, then maybe for the first time a HG went to the jury and thought “this game isn’t over, mofo”. Cody kept playing. He wanted to defeat Paul from the start and didn’t quit. I think that’s cool.

    Of course, Paul’s own game of controlling wire to wire and affecting every member of the jury’s game had to occur for a realistic shot at forming a consensus “against” him. Also, Paul, who easily could have gone with Xmas or Kevin, instead found himself next to someone who could make a case.

    Still, the idea of a juror playing the game as if they were still in the house is a new dynamic, if that’s what happened, but I can’t see the other jurors not voting for Paul if Cody wasn’t there. I also think it’s absolutely fair to the spirit of the game.

  197. Last season I REALLY thought Paul was robbed. But I do admit I hated Nicole’s game and didn’t want her to win. I also knew Paul’s answers to the jury as well as his final speech were really freakin’ awful. I overlooked Paul lying to Da’vonne in his goodbye message since it was just one person. I also knew the only reason Paul made it to final 2 was because Victor kept getting evicted when it would have been Paul evicted. Yet I still said Paul was robbed.

    This season I was EXTREMELY happy he came in 2nd place again and it’s made me rethink his first season and admit that the stuff in my 1st paragraph was exactly why Nicole won and rightfully so. He made the same mistakes this season that I minimized to fit my narrative that he was better than Nicole.

    Paul’s ego is so massive and his disrespect for the game is disgusting to people who really want to play. He didn’t even bother watching his own season or any season and thought he could just waltz in and control everyone including the live feeders. Thinking if he bashed Cody all season we would see Cody as the devil (and many still do) and see Paul as the hero (and many do not). He thought he could control the jury so they wouldn’t talk to each other. And everything else.

    The kid did NOT play a great game, in fact he took all the fun out of watching, and he did not deserve to win. He absolutely underestimated Josh and Josh out smarted the hell out of Paul by spilling all the tea in the goodbye messages. Paul destroyed his own game and all of us saying he was robbed reinforces his belief that he’s a great player. He is not.

  198. As Julie C. said in by interviews his speech he did not apologize, he was drinking his own Koolaid. Paul did a great job of manipulating, so much so it made me angry watching. Paul forgot one thing when he was lying and manipulating, it turns the person to anger toward you that is lasting. He turned friendship into enemies.

  199. Yes and Cody is a bigger Jack@$$ then I thought he was. The cast is garbage. Lucky I liked both Paul and Josh. I Wanted Paul to win .. He DESERVED IT
    JOSH FOLLOWED.
    But it’s fixed by bitter horrible people..THEN ITS FRAUD
    Oh well I’m done with BB, Ms Grodner. Done!

  200. I think Alex and Jason ultimately lost because Paul was going to give them money – he tried to hint to Alex, but she was too dumb to realize it. The immature/bitter 3 got them to jump on their hate wagon. Pretty pathetic. The mature voters (Kevin, Christmas & Maven) realized it was a game and didn’t get “butt-hurt” like the petty ones.

    • Yes , I’m going to have to give them a 👏 for being good sports , even if they didn’t do anything but take up space . Paul wins either way to me . The pathetic 5 will have to live w themselves for being petty.

  201. Not sure what “jury management” is – Paul had no control over the casting of broke-azz peeps that wanted to “punch” him because they were too stupid to realize they were sheep. Sooo made at Paul for not taking them along for his ride! He “managed” them all the same – and the 4 mature ones realized it and understood they just got beat. All of the Bitter Betty’s had choices and made poor ones and just wanted to blame Paul for it. Sad for them – it just made them look very immature for any potential future employers. I wouldn’t hire them if they have that much “hate” in them. Mark just looked like total roid-rage at the round table – cannot control his temper – again … immaturity at it’s most basic showing.

    • It’s mind numbing , how can 66.9% or more ppl agree with paul winning and the other 30- not have a clue . Is the world that .. not stupid .. petty ? I voted for the class act, Kevin . They can cast him all they want and I would vote for him over anyone !! He at least should have gotten afp, so I’m glad he took the 25g$ and whatever else and brought paul back just if it was for him to lose but to get Cody out and show ppl how blind they are by hate and how easily swayed ppl can be. There wasn’t anything Paul did but play to win !!! How he played was all fair in the rules. Whoever casted that mess, aside from Paul should be fired ! Horrible way to let a game go to THE bully in the house over the actual player cause of the immaturity of the jury. I could insert other names for Cody , but I think he speaks volumes for the 30% that are emotionally unstable !

    • That can be said for the other four votes, but a different word than ‘bitter’ for Cody would and should apply. I’m not just defending Cody because he was my favourite this season. How can he be categorized the same way? The others were Paul’s allies, sheep, minions, followers, etc and got screwed over by him. That’s bitter. Mark and Elena came off the wagon first, but only because they realized Paul didn’t prioritize them, and up until then they were just as much followers as anybody. Cody was never a follower, never thought he was aligned with Paul, never was screwed over by Paul, so how can he feel betrayed by Paul and thus bitter towards him?

      I say this as somebody who, at first, when I saw it happen on TV, was slightly surprised and slightly disappointed that Cody didn’t vote for Paul. But it didn’t take very long before I started thinking about it and making sense of why he wouldn’t. Bottom line, if all the others are bitter, Cody can’t be under the same file. There’s a different word for what Cody was with his vote. I’m just not putting my finger on it at the moment. (And no, Cody haters, the word is not “jack@$$” or anything along those lines. Let’s be civil. Thanks)

      • Bitter , hateful, weird , loner , anti social, mean , sullen, spiteful , revengeful.. I can come up w a lot of words for that Mr. Thang !

      • If you didnt vote for master class gameplay then you aren’t following the spirit of the game and are succumb to your own emotions of betrayal. The game is all about everything Paul did and nothing really about anything else. Outwit and outplay foundation of the game. Josh screwed with Pauls game by ratting him out on the exit videos. If it wasn’t for that, Paul would have had it his way. Cody stuck to his guns and thats fine but he was a fool in this game. It doesn’t work that way.

      • Ahole , idiot , coward. I dunno , they all apply . He said hate , HATE about someone he didn’t even know . Before and after meeting. He was the lesser man and his ego got bruised . His play ? Was none . Bitter is exactly what he was and is. He lost. Never be asked back . Personality goes a long way . He has zero . That won’t change. Pick evil , rest of America has . It’s the way of the times . Good job .

      • The big loser on finale night was BB itself,the vote was nothing more than a exercise in self pity and bitterness,

      • Yes , he did win. He played the better game , he lost because of the bitter, spiteful Cody that was hell bent on revenge . The 5 idiots , they are just bad ppl , Alex – demon from hell . Jason – I think his rape comment is enough .. mark – he couldn’t make a decision to save his life wout crying. Elana – ugh . 🤡 And lastly , Cody – the only remark need saying, was when he said this isn’t a game , this is life . 🤣🤣 . Too stupid to realize where he was and what he was doing . Josh- another big baby that bullied people and ran around like a fckin 4 yr old after banging pots and pans and being the bully – nice going voters . Raven – she needs a wake up call ( but voted appropriate) Matt – 😂😂 just let him eat cereal . Kevin – he was a good guy that didn’t deserve how they treated him OR the disgusting comment from rodeo 🤡 clown. Xmas – could have kicked all of their azzes if jason didn’t break her foot, and then turn around and want her out so he didn’t have to look at her . ( he’s the most dispicable of them all ! ) did I forget any of these jokers ? Bad bb !! Bad bad !!! They fooled us just as much as paul fooled them . They had a LOT to do w it and I’m sure they aren’t happy with the turnout , since julie even said they crowned the wrong one ! She speaks truth ! Over . Done with . I just can’t .

      • Sure, and Josh won because he was? Nonsense.. You can be masterful at something and still loose. He lost due to a bitter jury which Josh helped to propagate on the exits and their baby emotions because they were evicted unfairly or unduly in their eyes whatever. The players that left before jury saw the true game and came back with the same opinion of Paul. Jessica who hated Paul vouched for Paul’s tremendous gameplay which confirms it.

  202. Anything Cody touches is tainted with his rage-filled, narcissistic, immature anti-social poison. That he was chosen America’s favourite houseguest says a lot about Americans, and none of it is pleasant. Paul outplayed everyone, period. He made fools of a bunch of people who were foolish to begin with. Sore losers are losers, first and foremost. Cody and his cabal got schooled, and they were pissed. If they want to know why they lost, all they need to do is look into a mirror.

    • Don’t you just love those 5 jury members,act like they were not “there” ..poor things,what a bunch of 4th graders who never made it to junior high..Cody has the personality of the Unabomber.

    • Agree !!!! They were poor sports and sore losers. Cody was the ring leader of a bitter jury , Paul was the leader in playing the game !! He played it and then brilliantly and they look stupid to no one but themselves and twice more for voting for the actually bully !!!! So they will always be remembered as the idiots . Paul will be a legend.

    • To say those things about Cody and then defend Paul is so hypocritical. Looks like it’s more Thank just the jury who is bitter…

  203. I’m sick of the vets, too. But I do hope Cody gets another chance. He basically got screwed by Paul being safe until he could manipulate all of his smarmy, stupid little androids into proper submissive position to do his every bidding. Huge and unfair advantage. Like being given a three-week head start over everybody else. Only Cody saw the major threat day one and had guts to try to do something about it. But face it – how brave would the other houseguests, like Mark & Elena, have had to be to join Cody against Paul when they knew for a fact that Paul wasn’t going anywhere for the next three weeks? Give Cody another chance. And please never inflict that arrogant jerk Paul on us again. I know one thing for dang sure: despite his lofty, self-congratulatory opinion of himself as being universally beloved by all, he is not now, and never will be, “my boy.”

      • Cody got fan favorite, dear. That means that the most fans who cared enough to vote for their favorite voted for Cody. You can whine and squeal all you want but you can’t change that. And it’s not like they were prohibited from voting for Paul – they just didn’t becausd he’s not their favorite. So you can stomp around your living room all you want and complain that the American people are stupid for liking Cody so much but this isn’t a party in your backyard where you are the one that decides who gets to stay and who has to go. This is a TV show that – at its heart –
        is a business. That is always the bottom line. Who can they cast that will bring ratings. Who will the audience watch. Who do the people like.

        And sorry, but the people like Cody.

        He will be back.

      • Or his stupid , fraudulent, fired bald gf created false accounts! I think that was more likely . Fan fav . Not . You are just a star delusional as he was when he got it . Can thank his criminal for that one. Nothing more .

      • You make very little sense. Work on coherence, and not grasping at straws for excuses for why good things happened to players you don’t like.

      • And now Cody is on “Amazing Race.” He is a fan favorite. People like him. He’s good for ratings. He definitely is going to be back on BB as an All Star in an upcoming season. Wait for it. 😁

  204. Of course the jury was bitter. That’s what made the jury round table fun this year. But let’s not pretend that Paul played a flawless game. He played an okay game – he didn’t have to struggle like previous winners have, he didn’t bother owning any of his game moves with the jury, and he lied at every opportunity, despite the fact that he was already caught. Maybe Josh didn’t deserve to win, but neither did Paul.

    • Because he was playing like a pro . Paul def did . No one really believe that josh won, only the delusional ones that think Cody was afp as well . CBS just wants to keep being talked about and was all rigged . Worst season ever , I hope they all are bad and forced to cancel . Can’t stand any of the cast for a long time , and now have this pissy azz attitude for spoilt sports and cry babies. There’s not tact in that , paul won. Hands down .

      • Oh, so it’s only rigged because Saint Paul lost and AMERICA chose Cody as AFP? However, every single one of Paul’s advantages this season was fair game? Gotcha. #Hypocrite.

  205. Ppl are saying Paul didn’t hold a gun to anyone’s head for the bullying tactics that went down in the house, well neither did Cody hold a gun to anyone’s head in jury to make them not vote Paul.

  206. I only wish Cody could of won it all, you had my 20 votes every day and would love to see you come back… And Jessica.. Neither Josh or Paul deserved anything.
    Not even pot’s and pan’s.. Worse big brother ever,..never again… Let them bully other people.
    Sad to say.. No.. Paul.. No Josh.. And Christmas never should of got to vote when she didn’t play.. Really bb..good luck Cody and Jessica.. I’m happy for you.

  207. Paul.. You know that you were not going to win no matter what, the final 3 should not of been the final 3, big brother should of stopped that long ago, I’ve never missed a season and I have no interest in watching it again..

  208. Was the JUry bitter . of course DUH, every year you have some bitter jury members no matter who plays,
    Over the years we have seen some of the nastiest players ever , backstabbing Lying backdoor playing monsters but they win, they made nothing personal and made sure those they got out understood it was game . THe jury bitter as heck. was won over. and sometimes you wonder how could they forgive so easy, then you realize it was how they were addressed, as players and people,
    Paul two year different game plays makes it all the way to final two. Great games, lost the jury,
    This year he took someone who played him as much as he played the others.
    When Paul gave those facial expressions to Josh , I understood why he did that,
    Josh was underestimated big time, He was as super fan, he understood the game a little better than Paul when it came to the Jury, What was great was how he used pauls idea of Josh has made so many mad , that they would not like him and blame him, Josh used that to his advantage and took the credit, with those good bye messages, and how he addressed the Jury , I was surprised how he did it,
    I did not think Josh had it in him,
    If you watch it again, you will see how three Jury members were lost , Cody was at one time 100 percent paul, Alex and Jason were on the fence, the back yard interviews not just Dr will but the others give better insight, All ot them had about same story, cody at least Josh was in my face and not behind a curtain, Jason similar , Alex voted for the one who stabbed her in the front not back,

  209. Part of winning BB is winning the jury. He may not have been on the block but to say he wasn’t nominated isn’t quite true. He was nominated week 1 just had the pendant keeping him safe for 3 weeks. To congratulate yourself for being responsible for every eviction and think you don’t have blood on your hands….well that’s just stupid. Josh going from everyone in and outside the house thinking he was going to take the crazy train out week 1 to final 2 was much more impressive. Josh revealing his final 3 with Paul & the Soul Eater was brilliant not cowardly.

  210. Paul actually tried taking credit for “bringing” Josh in the final 2… Maybe Paul should see the tape of the final HOH… Josh WON, and HE brought Paul to the final 2!! Paul was his own worst enemy this season… sure he had a hand in every eviction, veto etc. but in the end he didn’t care about anyone or anything except his play. BB shouldn’t brought him back in the first place and then to give him all of these “safeties” just pissed more people off. Josh had enough integrity to tell people that were evicted that even though he liked them as a person, his vote was best for his game.
    Paul got pissed when he saw that Josh told people going to Jury that he had an alliance with Christmas and Paul since day 1. Paul said that Josh threw him under the bus, but Paul had no trouble throwing others under the bus for the betterment of his game.

  211. Who the hell cares if the jury was “bitter”? It’s a freaking game! They’re acting like childish, immature, pouting babies. Are those that voted “against” Paul seriously pretending like they didn’t lie, cheat, or betray? Holy crap, that’s all everyone did all the time. Paul just did it a hell of a lot better than them. They’re bitter because they sucked more than he did, and Paul’s genius shoves it in their faces.

    Now, Paul DEFINITELY should have been more contrite and less of a dick about it. For sure. That was one area where he was stupid and definitely failed.

    But let’s get real. He had a target on him like no one in BB history, and he CRUSHED the competition despite it all. Best, most well played game in Big Brother. EVER.

    A different cast who weren’t such poor losers would have recognized his brilliance and accepted that he just flat beat them. Their childishness just cost a deserving man $450k, and crowned a relative idiot. Josh won? That’s perhaps the biggest joke in Reality TV history.

  212. Every year, there are people who exhibit horrible behavior on BB. During the season, their fans say “that’s how you play the game – you’re expected to lie, backstab, do whatever it takes to win.” Then after the season is over, the worst offenders use that as their defense: “That was my strategy, to falsely befriend everyone, to lie and cheat my way to a win, to use everyone as a stepping stone to the money.” I think THIS season might have shone some light on how that maybe is not the real way BB is going to be won. Yes, people expect to be lied to; it’s a true rarity for someone to profess and maintain honesty and loyalty. But I think Paul has proven that being the best liar and schemer isn’t necessarily going to get you the big prize, either. He was loyal to the two people he went to the end with (although that was in question for a bit, while he weighed his options). Paul was so sure if he got to F2 he would win, because he had controlled everyone for so long; he had successfully lied to countless people; he instigated some horrible behavior from his cronies. He never stopped to think that once these folks got to jury, his hands would not remain with “no blood.” For me, his poor jury management proves he was NOT the master of the game. Even saying (as people have commented about Dr. Will and Evel Dick), “yep, I was awful, I love you guys as people but as competitors you had to go” might have made a difference in the jury, and in fans like me. Instead he chose to lie in goodbye messages (again – wouldn’t a “master” of the game know the jurors talk to each other??), and lied right up to the jury questions on the live show. All the while motioning behind Josh’s back that he (Paul) was responsible for any strategy Josh was claiming. So for the future, maybe players will remember, being a master liar and manipulator, never keeping your word to anyone, might NOT be the way the game has to be played to win.

    • Well,if that is the case,why not just crown the house guest who walks around on egg shells all summer and smiles the most the winner each year or just turn this into a new “Mickey Mouse Club” so all the house guests can hold hands at the end of each episode and sing the title track from “Annie”,sounds like a real winner to me..or only invite former Eagle and Girls Scouts so they can all wear “Make BB Innocent Again” hats the whole time,now excuse me..need to throw up!

    • Nope . Spin it a million diff ways and it’s still wrong . If you don’t have the cohones to play bb then don’t apply . I have seen past seasons and just clips of craziness and meanness .. this wasn’t the first . It was the 5 bitter jurors that started w an immature child , Cody . He lost , paul lost . The bully was crowned . Nice job

  213. I think what turned things in Josh’s direction was how he answered the jurors questions. I thought he was more straight forward in his answers to them. Paul’s answers were always qualified.

  214. This was the worst season ever of BB. We stopped watching after Mark left because at that point there was no longer a player worth rooting for. The final three -a group of creeps, none of whom were the least bit likeable. This season had so many dimwits and followers because the producers wanted Paul to win. Too bad they didn’t get their way, no matter how much manipulation of the game they did. Josh is an awful person and a bully, but Paul is the most odious player in BB history. His smarmy smugness and extremely inflated opinion of himself were read turnoffs.

  215. For everyone who keeps saying that the jury forever ruined the game by being bitter… go rewatch season 14. Dan played the best game in the history of Big Brother and lost 7-0 because he “overplayed” just like Paul. That jury was so bitter he never had a shot! Yet the game has lived on and has only grown in popularity.

    • Don’t think it was great, so what he lied and did same thing paul wasn’t doing and fake funeral bs .. it was stupid .

  216. Big brother season 19 was awlful. These ppl were the worst, especially Cody. He calls himself a marine, well if that’s how marines act then there is something seriously wrong. I’ve never seen someone as rude as he was on BB. The jury were so wrong to not vote Paul the winner. He’s the only one who played it right. Then the jury, as dumb as they all were, didn’t vote for the right person bc they were just mad and bitter that Paul played them. I’ve seen other juries before and they were smart enough to know who played the right way. These ppl couldn’t even figure it out bc they were too mad that they got voted off. They weren’t smart enough. So I hope they all go back where they came from. I never want to see any of them again, except for Paul, of course. Cody and Jess were obnoxious. They couldn’t even act professional enough at the finale. All they did was put on a display of nastiness together,. So annoying. Go get a room, no one wants to see that crap. Big brother, u really need to interview these ppl before they r sent into the BB house. This cast of characters were the worst. I may not even watch anymore bc of how they acted and not know how to vote for a true winner.

  217. How can people (including Julie Chen) say that Paul was “robbed” of the win? In a game where Paul was always dirty and showed himself to be dishonest all the way, why should he or anyone else think he was due the win. To say he was “robbed” implies that him not wining was indecent, and yet he was indecent to other house guests all season!

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